Re: "CHANGED outside Customize" in frames customization group

[martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>]

>     The problem is then that anyone who wants to know the current default
>     settings can't tell them by just consulting `default-frame-alist' alone.
>     Within Emacs currently just faces, fringe, cua-base, and erc do so, but
>     there may exist packages beyond Emacs ...
>
> That is a drawback, but not a disaster.  It's better than the current
> situation.

Agreed.  BTW, we now also have `window-system-default-frame-alist' which
is not consulted by these either.

>      >     I have to avoid an
>      >
>      >     "Attempt to autoload customize-set-variable while preparing to dump"
>      >
>      >     error here.
>      >
>      > Yes, but why would that error happen?
>
>     It gets called by fringe.el.
>
> Sorry, I do not understand what that would imply.
> Can you give a complete explanation?

You can test this if you replace, in `modify-all-frames-parameters',
`setq' by `customize-set-variable' as you suggested earlier and then
remake Emacs.  On my system making aborts with the "Attempt to ..." bug
mentioned above.  IIUC, someone noticed that this could constitute a
problem for the scroll-bar case and handled this by introducing
`scroll-bar-mode-explicit' but didn't care about doing the same thing
for fringes.