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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229874 Archived-At: > Reimplementing delete-selection-mode to be more like shift-select-mode > will also require to get rid of putting 'delete-selection props on > command symbols, and like shift-translated commands have a `^' character > in the `interactive' spec, delete-selection-mode might require a separate > character. Hopefully, these types of commands are mutual exclusive, > so their disjoint sets won't cause conflicting interactive specs. Shift selection and `interactive' `^' have nothing whatsoever to do with `delete-selection-mode'. D-s-m does not care how the text was selected. And it works fine together with Shift selection. It's not clear what you mean by making d-s-m "more like shift-select-mode". But in any case I disagree with such an incompatible change for d-s-m. If you want something different from d-s-m (e.g. "more like shift-select-mode) then please come up with a new mode for that. Please don't change the longstanding, simple, and elegant d-s-m design, which includes the ability to define the d-s-m behavior for a particular command by putting a property on the command symbol. This thread should really be about whether d-s-m should be turned on by default. If you want something different from d-s-m then, by all means, please implement it - but using a new mode name.