From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: "CHANGED outside Customize" in frames customization group Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:44:19 +0100 Message-ID: <477616F3.8000003@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1198921523 20672 80.91.229.12 (29 Dec 2007 09:45:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:45:23 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 29 10:45:37 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J8YG7-0002CK-JO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:45:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J8YFm-0000SF-Da for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:45:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J8YFg-0000QD-Vn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:45:09 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J8YFf-0000P2-9b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:45:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J8YFf-0000Oe-2C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:45:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J8YFe-0003sM-SF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 04:45:07 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Dec 2007 09:45:04 -0000 Original-Received: from N947P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.62.78]) [62.47.62.78] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 29 Dec 2007 10:45:04 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18e0T0xfwEeMfsfsBQ+0CcNn4LZccJ+wMRXc+b/Qg 7I0CIKgXepnoXn User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85595 Archived-At: Users who want to customize one of the variables listed below are currently told: default-frame-alist: Hide Value State: CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable. initial-frame-alist: Hide Value State: CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable. menu-bar-mode: Hide Value Toggle on (non-nil) State: CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable. tool-bar-mode: Hide Value Toggle off (nil) State: CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable. These are probably due to the attempts to make `default-frame-alist' and `initial-frame-alist' reflect the actual states of `menu-bar-mode' and `tool-bar-mode' and vice-versa. pop-up-frame-function: Hide Value (lambda nil (make-frame pop-up-frame-alist)) State: CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable. due to (setq pop-up-frame-function ;; Using `function' here caused some sort of problem. '(lambda () (make-frame pop-up-frame-alist))) in frame.el and special-display-function: Hide Value special-display-popup-frame State: CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable. due to (setq special-display-function 'special-display-popup-frame) in frame.el. Maybe these variables shouldn't be customizable in the first place. Else we should try to improve the user interface. Any suggestions?