From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion: Let the help command load autoloaded functions etc Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:42:19 +0100 Message-ID: <476CEA0B.1090501@gmail.com> References: <47696238.6050601@gmail.com> <476B7BA6.80903@gmail.com> <476B990A.80602@gnu.org> <476BE7C7.2020005@gmail.com> <87zlw3qane.fsf@ambire.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1198320185 440 80.91.229.12 (22 Dec 2007 10:43:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Thien-Thi Nguyen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 22 11:43:17 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J61p6-0004jY-T0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:43:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J61om-0008GP-T1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:42:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J61oj-0008Eu-S3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:42:53 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J61oi-0008EW-1l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:42:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J61oh-0008ET-Up for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:42:51 -0500 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J61oh-00039K-I2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:42:51 -0500 Original-Received: from c83-254-148-228.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.148.228]:63889 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J61of-0000fW-8K; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:42:50 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <87zlw3qane.fsf@ambire.localdomain> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071221-0, 2007-12-21), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.148.228 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1J61of-0000fW-8K. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1J61of-0000fW-8K e338a2c3bd5316cbb4fac02fcbc1a6b4 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85370 Archived-At: Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: > () Richard Stallman > () Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:30:15 -0500 > > That would be an ok feature, since it > would not do anything automatically. > > i don't think it would be always ok. for example, consider a set > of interdependent libraries misbehaving when components are loaded > in the wrong order. the result is curiosity- but not necessarily > user-induced bug reports. i would hate to have this conversation: > > user : i clicked on "foo link" and emacs barfed: FOO-ERROR. > programmer: well don't do that. > u: well, why is that link displayed? > p: because we don't handle "improper load sequence". > u: what is the "proper load sequence"? > p: advertized entry point is M-x bar RET. > u: what does that have to do w/ foo? > p: nothing. > u: ??? > > in other words, i personally am disinclined to support this kind > of fuzziness (entering the subroutine from the side). But that should not happen for autoloaded functions, or?