From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion: Let the help command load autoloaded functions etc Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:44:26 +0000 Message-ID: <476B990A.80602@gnu.org> References: <47696238.6050601@gmail.com> <476B7BA6.80903@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1198233906 29758 80.91.229.12 (21 Dec 2007 10:45:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 21 11:45:18 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J5fNV-0007xb-Og for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:45:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J5fNB-00006K-Sw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:44:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J5fN2-0008O9-WF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:44:49 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J5fMx-0008B1-6c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:44:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J5fMv-0008AM-Mb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:44:41 -0500 Original-Received: from outmail1.freedom2surf.net ([194.106.33.237]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J5fMq-0000ar-Ku; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:44:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.249.28] (i-83-67-23-108.freedom2surf.net [83.67.23.108]) by outmail1.freedom2surf.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FA250EF0; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:44:35 +0000 (GMT) User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) In-Reply-To: <476B7BA6.80903@gmail.com> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85345 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > Richard Stallman wrote: >> Wouldn't it be good if the help functions loaded autoloaded >> functions etc? At least I believe this would make it a bit less >> confusing for newbies. And the penalty should not be big, or? >> >> These functions give information about Emacs. I think it would be >> very undesirable for them to alter the state they are examining. > > But loading a library should not change the state of Emacs, or? Is not > that one of the design goals? Of course loading a library changes the state of Emacs. At very least, it increases the memory footprint. What benefit do you suppose would be gained from doing this?