From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Fix some tooltip related problems Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 07:55:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475d480b-3885-4779-ae46-09cf7fbbcee7@default> References: <5A533FA4.4030507@gmx.at> <9384bae5-cbb9-4b4d-ac5c-1d01f01c8117@default> <5A53B633.5020706@gmx.at> <41d40db5-15d8-4b2c-a058-fb6dabc8bfd3@default> <5A548E7E.2040601@gmx.at> <5A55E8ED.1010602@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1515599665 20542 195.159.176.226 (10 Jan 2018 15:54:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 15:54:25 +0000 (UTC) To: martin rudalics , emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 10 16:54:21 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZIhd-0004NO-QL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 16:54:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50258 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZIja-0001mv-8C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:56:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37211) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZIjO-0001jk-99 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:55:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZIjL-0002gZ-7Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:55:58 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:34184) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZIjK-0002dj-VV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:55:55 -0500 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w0AFpaJT046399; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 15:55:44 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2017-10-26; bh=9ja/qENs0WP8Tbc2BUSbNSG28q1SmwbZYC118kZZ1VM=; b=qQq22a47kfr/9Nn0J94bT70XwUSDef2pwlEppyQvzLYvolVZlEuwfDg8w2GPGV8wWlGo 3KaApirbBO2m4+bpDVWQEZ4Ahs5W1v9/BbxzbCbRfetq6/2r9yYyD8nCIkmRNDTeOT9Q jP3xkiCvbKtmhVHlA0mTRgp4rlyNYtQBPmW9xAZVknvf/sFSPVzlcJDIXq6vC49m370Y y5poDa8/Fg6mCNrADzwcXpAkkZEgR5xQcxtP0SrQrxwFiak/hPnBwVon6KbwAsImOGoU IAf+RPUjPMjLxJ3ywibUmaxdJx8ytQM1FJih1qHE2kyHZsp5Yt07px8qpgrS/9OyXxhG iw== Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2fdmxf8c1v-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 Jan 2018 15:55:44 +0000 Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w0AFthhp005477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 Jan 2018 15:55:43 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w0AFthSZ022142; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 15:55:43 GMT In-Reply-To: <5A55E8ED.1010602@gmx.at> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4627.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8769 signatures=668652 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=768 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1801100222 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.78 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:221795 Archived-At: > >> > It would be good to dim them, however. > >> > >> There's no option to do that and there won't be any > >> with system tooltips. > > > > Why not? Are you saying that this _cannot_ be done > > or only that you've decided that it "won't" be done? >=20 > It cannot be done. System tooltips have a uniform appearance. So > dimming is not applicable for the default user on GNU/Linux - the > vast majority of Emacs users. IIUC the same holds for Mac users. I see. Well if it can't be done then it can't be done. I have a naive question, though - your mention of "system tooltip" isn't clear to me. I thought that Emacs tooltips were Emacs frames. What prevents Emacs from doing what it wants in such a frame? This works for me, for example: (x-show-tip (propertize "abc" 'face '(:foreground "gray"))) What's different here from what you are talking about? OK, I'm using MS Windows. But does this not work also on GNU/Linux and Mac? And if that doesn't work on such platforms, can't we use a ("normal") Emacs frame where such things do work? Just what is it that makes it impossible for Emacs to dim the text in a tooltip? Sorry, but this is not clear to me.