From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kevin Rodgers Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs changed file's own user and file permission Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:37:10 -0700 Message-ID: <475F6576.9050804@gmail.com> References: <4ad823b9-4941-4883-8771-de43d50913de@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1197434273 27949 80.91.229.12 (12 Dec 2007 04:37:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 12 05:38:03 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J2JMA-0003ik-Q7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:38:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J2JLs-00088T-Oe for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:37:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J2JLc-00087h-5Y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:37:28 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J2JLa-00087G-Uo for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:37:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J2JLa-000879-Rp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:37:26 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J2JLa-0007WV-SC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:37:27 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2JLT-00073M-Lp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:37:19 +0000 Original-Received: from c-67-162-159-170.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([67.162.159.170]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:37:19 +0000 Original-Received: from kevin.d.rodgers by c-67-162-159-170.hsd1.co.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:37:19 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-67-162-159-170.hsd1.co.comcast.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Macintosh/20070809) In-Reply-To: <4ad823b9-4941-4883-8771-de43d50913de@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:50029 Archived-At: Xah Lee wrote: > Unix-like systems (unixes and linuxes) file systems do not record file > creation date. (this is one of the major fuckup in unixes, and is a > fact few unix people knew, even senior unix sys admins. (I'm not sure > what file system linuxes uses now, but is so up to 2004)) Apparently this is a fact that you don't know, either: http://www.unix.com/showthread.php?p=79750 http://m0j0.wordpress.com/2007/09/17/unix-mtime-vs-ctime/ > The emacs's default behavior is especially bad for Macs, because once > you edited some file, its file creation timestamp info is effectively > destroyed (and become the time you saved it) This is devastating for > those uninitiated. e.g. you started to use emacs, then after a month > or so, when you one day wanted to know when was a particular file > created, you realized that it's all gone. Devastating! > (this is one of the major damage unixes has done to the computing > industry) Uh, ok. If that's major damage to the computing industry, I'll take it over the "innovation" of Microsoft -- even Apple had the good sense to move to Unix. -- Kevin Rodgers Denver, Colorado, USA