From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: always put Customizations in `custom-file', never in `user-init-file' Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:25:02 +0100 Message-ID: <475DAEAE.2040305@gmail.com> References: <475DA1D2.7020701@gmail.com> <873auadz8l.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1197321951 16629 80.91.229.12 (10 Dec 2007 21:25:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , Emacs-Devel To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 10 22:26:02 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J1q8X-000873-NS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:26:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J1q8F-0002KS-SV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:25:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J1q8C-0002KD-ME for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:25:40 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J1q8B-0002Ja-C3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:25:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J1q8B-0002JV-4S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:25:39 -0500 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J1q8B-0004fk-3A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:25:39 -0500 Original-Received: from c83-254-148-228.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.148.228]:64467 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J1q7w-00041h-3R; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:25:24 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <873auadz8l.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071210-0, 2007-12-10), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.148.228 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1J1q7w-00041h-3R. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1J1q7w-00041h-3R 0974ff2ccbcdf362f1c8d04aaa76c122 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:84978 Archived-At: Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Lennart Borgman (gmail) writes: > > > Drew Adams wrote: > > > I think it was probably a mistake ever to have put Customize customizations > > > into a file intended for editing. That can confuse users, and it's just > > > asking for trouble. Now that we have a good alternative (`custom-file'), I > > > think that should be used exclusively. > > ... > > > WDOT? > > Be very careful. In particular, the natural idea of migrating by > loading the init file and using Custom to save its internal state to a > custom-file caused no end of pain to users when it was implemented in > XEmacs. If there is any error in the init file, you can lose all > customizations. Then it might be best to avoid automatic migration, but to give a command to migrate custom data to custom-file. > > Great. And I guess custom-file should be run after .emacs, since that > > makes it possible to chose another custom-file. > > Experience in XEmacs showed that users often want to use information > in the custom-file in their init files. There were issues (maybe > XEmacs-specific) with initial values for faces, too. After the init > file was run was too late. It's easy enough to load the custom-file > late for those users for whom that matters: don't use the default > name. Something like > > (defvar custom-file "custom.el") > (defvar default-custom-file-loaded-p nil) > (progn > (do-emacs-early-initializations) > (when (file-readable-p custom-file) > (load custom-file)) > (load user-init-file) > (when (and (not default-custom-file-loaded-p) > (file-readable-p custom-file)) > (load custom-file))) Yes, you are of course right.