From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: remember(-diary).el Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:44:06 +0100 Message-ID: <47542446.9010400@gmail.com> References: <4743DD30.4010504@gmx.at> <4743EFE7.7080907@gmx.at> <8763zki775.fsf@grepfind.mwolson.org> <87lk8fh8wu.fsf@grepfind.mwolson.org> <66bq9bmu3b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <877ijzfko3.fsf@grepfind.mwolson.org> <87lk8ceq9a.fsf@grepfind.mwolson.org> <874pezx141.fsf@grepfind.mwolson.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1196696717 953 80.91.229.12 (3 Dec 2007 15:45:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Michael Olson Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 03 16:45:26 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IzDTp-0002N9-SA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:45:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzDTZ-0006MC-Jz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:44:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IzDTQ-0006Ho-B2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:44:44 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IzDTO-0006H2-OU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:44:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IzDTO-0006Gz-MG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:44:42 -0500 Original-Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.213]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IzDTE-0006De-FU; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:44:32 -0500 Original-Received: from c83-254-148-228.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.148.228]:62491 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IzDSr-00042c-8a; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:44:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: <874pezx141.fsf@grepfind.mwolson.org> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071203-0, 2007-12-03), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Originating-IP: 83.254.148.228 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1IzDSr-00042c-8a. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1IzDSr-00042c-8a 17b8003b3c8e5b5f177a0279d06fef7a X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:84573 Archived-At: Michael Olson wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> From: Michael Olson >>> I want to be able to pop up a warning window upon loading a file >>> (this window can be disabled by the user) which tells people of the >>> issue, and which registry key to change in order for it not to be a >>> problem anymore. >> That's be harassing the user, a very un-Emacsy thing to do, IMO. > > I don't think of it as harassing the user -- if something has > nondeterministic behavior whenever its source code gets checked out, I > want to warn people about it. Obviously the message that appears would > need to be invective-free and informative. And since it appears during > load, it needs to contain instructions for how to disable the display of > the message. One may feel differently about this, but for me it sounds like the right thing to do in a case like this. It is however very important that the message is (very) easy to turn off - and that the information in the message is easy to find again. Actually I believe that this way of handling the problem is what computer users expects today. However I also agree with Eli that it could be harassing the user. It must be used with caution. I have tried to avoid this as much as possible (though I felt a bit differently in the beginning). In one important case I use it now. It is for a package where you do not get the full benefit of it unless you turn on some things that may influence Emacs outside of that package too. I then inform the user of that this way, using display-buffer to show the message and from there the user can turn on those things or just choose not to see the message any more.