From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10206: 24.0.92; doc of `window-system-default-frame-alist' Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 09:08:23 -0800 Message-ID: <474F2AB0D5D94C99A1E4B285077B3CC6@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1322932133 19945 80.91.229.12 (3 Dec 2011 17:08:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:08:53 +0000 (UTC) To: 10206@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 03 18:08:46 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RWt4v-0001kU-9J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 18:08:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49188 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RWt4u-00010f-QT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:08:18 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.48.82) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 03 Dec 2011 09:08:18 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acyx3ioGuSAUW7e7RHCoibJB4DgfsQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4EDA5789.007B,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 12:09:01 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:54651 Archived-At: The variable's value is not described. All we say is that it is an alist that somehow has to do with frame parameters. Please document the alist entries: what is the form of the KEY of an entry? the VALUE? In particular, what values are possible for the KEY? In Emacs 23, the doc string was more helpful. It said this: "Alist of window-system dependent default frame parameters. You can set this in your init file; for example, ;; Disable menubar and toolbar on the console, but enable them under X. (setq window-system-default-frame-alist '((x (menu-bar-lines . 1) (tool-bar-lines . 1)) (nil (menu-bar-lines . 0) (tool-bar-lines . 0)))) Parameters specified here supersede the values given in `default-frame-alist'." But even that begs the question: What are `x' and `nil' here? What are the possible values for an alist entry KEY? Also, in Emacs 23 we explicitly suggest that you use this in your init file. In Emacs 24 that has been removed. Does this mean that this is no longer appropriate? If so, consider mentioning this user-behavior change in NEWS: what was effectively a user option (per the doc suggestion) is no longer such. Or if this is still intended as something for a user's init file, then please make it a proper user option (defcustom). In GNU Emacs 24.0.92.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-11-30 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-2.10.1/include --ldflags -LD:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-2.10.1/lib'