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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
Cc: "36644@debbugs.gnu.org" <36644@debbugs.gnu.org>,
	Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Subject: bug#36644: Git log search
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:53:01 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46b910fb-25f0-1b6e-df9b-fda1383cb1c9@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2imrrmo49.fsf@gmail.com>

On 24.07.2019 18:46, Robert Pluim wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:10:35 +0300, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> said:
> 
>      Dmitry> On 19.07.2019 1:32, Juri Linkov wrote:
>      >>> We can't really use this approach. VC is a high level abstraction,
>      >>> so we try to define the semantics well.
>      >>
>      >> I tend to agree with Robert.  A string have to be passed to the backend as is.
>      >> It seems such situations when these strings should be compatible between
>      >> different backends (such as running the same command on one backend,
>      >> and then repeating the same search on another backend by retrieving
>      >> a previous argument from the history via M-p) are very rare.
> 
>      Dmitry> I might agree with you from the practical standpoint, but
>      Dmitry> vc-log-search needs a docstring that actually describes what the
>      Dmitry> function is going to do. Including info on how PATTERN is going to be
>      Dmitry> interpreted.
> 
> If it were implemented as 'backend show me all the logs and then emacs
> will search through them' then that would be required, but itʼs not,
> itʼs implemented as 'backend show me the logs which match STRING'

Again, it's about documentation and about commands doing things in a way 
that the user can anticipate.

>      Dmitry> E.g. whether "foo.txt" will only match literally, or whether "." can
>      Dmitry> be substituted by any character.
> 
> That will depend on the backend
> 
>      Dmitry> And if PATTERN is a regexp, what kind of regexp it's going to be
>      Dmitry> interepreted as: basic RE, extended RE, Emacs RE, or Perl RE (probably
>      Dmitry> not the last one anyway).
> 
> As will this
> 
>      Dmitry> I suppose we can choose one of these and say e.g. that pattern is
>      Dmitry> interpreted as an extended regular expression, except for some
>      Dmitry> backends that don't support that. I wonder how we're going to convey
>      Dmitry> the latter to the user.
> 
> Itʼs not a pattern. Itʼs a string that is passed as-is to the backend,
> which is free to interpret it as it wishes. From my viewpoint, we can
> just say
> 
> "Search for STRING, which is passed unsullied to the backend's log
> search command.  Consult the documentation for your backend to
> understand the matching method it uses to search for STRING."

IME this doesn't match the way we try to document commands in Emacs, but 
I wouldn't want to spend much time arguing about this.

Eli, could you weigh in in this discussion? Would you say Robert's 
proposal is acceptable?





  reply	other threads:[~2019-07-24 15:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-13 22:27 bug#36644: Git log search Juri Linkov
2019-07-15 15:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-07-15 22:27   ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-16 14:25     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-07-16 14:44       ` Andreas Schwab
2019-07-16 15:08       ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-16 20:20         ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-16 22:31           ` Noam Postavsky
2019-07-18 22:35             ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-24 14:57             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-07-16 20:15       ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-18 15:01         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-07-18 15:12           ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 18:02             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-07-18 18:11               ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 22:32               ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-24 15:10                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-07-24 15:46                   ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-24 15:53                     ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2019-07-24 16:13                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-25 12:36                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-07-25 13:08                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-25 13:20                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-07-25 13:37                             ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-25 19:00                             ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-25 18:55                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-25 21:26                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-07-25 21:38                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-24 16:13                       ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-24 17:04                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-24 23:22                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-25 12:44                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-07-25 18:50                               ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-25 19:19                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-07-29 22:38                             ` Juri Linkov

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