From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: un-deprecating CL Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:58:22 +0200 Message-ID: <46EE177E.3060600@gmx.at> References: <864phxjj03.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> <87hclx834d.fsf@red-bean.com> <86ps0jiwfm.fsf@macs.hw.ac.uk> <46EC2F30.4030405@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190008669 23812 80.91.229.12 (17 Sep 2007 05:57:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 05:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, eliz@gnu.org, jbw@macs.hw.ac.uk, dto@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 17 07:57:48 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IX9cB-0001RA-CU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:57:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX9cA-0000ly-A4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:57:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IX9c7-0000lg-KO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:57:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IX9c4-0000kx-3O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:57:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IX9c3-0000kr-WA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:57:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IX9c2-0007L7-SQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:57:39 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Sep 2007 05:57:37 -0000 Original-Received: from N829P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.47.155]) [62.47.47.155] by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 17 Sep 2007 07:57:37 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18HMQMCJCAHiYV/Cb5MnZc6Y9MwxGhSPQkOXbQNOS I58lEVw+pP2cbS User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79084 Archived-At: > dotimes declare > > `dotimes' is already supported. > > How is CL `declare' useful in Emacs Lisp? The above was in response to Joe Wells' remark >> I suppose also someone should check whether the definitions in CL of >> these are the same as the non-CL Emacs definitions (and if so delete >> the ones in CL, otherwise somehow merge the functionality): >> >> pop push dolist caar cadr cdar cddr All these (as well as `dotimes' and `declare') create the following problem: When I eval a buffer containing an (eval-when-compile (require 'cl) ...) and subsequently invoke C-h f on one of these macros, I'm told that they are Lisp macros in cl-macs.elc or cl.elc. This is annoying because their doc-strings may differ frequently - the cl-macs.el version of `declare' doesn't have a doc-string at all. Obviously, `find-function' will get me to the cl-macs.el/cl.el versions as well.