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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266968 Archived-At: > On 25 Mar 2021, at 1:40 am, Stefan Monnier = wrote: >=20 >> I'm responding to a very narrow issue Gregory raised, which was that = yanking >> a defun from an emacs-lisp-mode into a text-mode-buffer, then = deactivating >> font-lock-mode did not remove what he considers to be fontification. = To me, >> this makes sense because text-mode does not fontify most text, thus = any text >=20 > Yes, but the question is not whether it makes sense but whether it's = desirable. > If it's not desirable than it doesn't matter whether we = provide/preserve > this behavior. I see. Yes I think it's desirable. For me the desirable aspect is the = distinction between text props and font-lock. Moreover I think the = degree to which a thing makes sense also contributes to its desirability = (if that makes sense). And the undesirable aspects of the font-lock-update command the = misleading side-effects: that it removed things and/or deactivated a = minor mode. Put these things in other commands if they're going on C-x.