From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Vinicius Jose Latorre Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `*' interactive spec in some text-killing functions Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:39:48 -0300 Message-ID: <4683C834.6020506@ig.com.br> References: <85fy4d56u8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85bqf0649m.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <86ps3gy02e.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86lke4xz7z.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1183041626 20689 80.91.229.12 (28 Jun 2007 14:40:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 28 16:40:22 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I3vAR-0007Td-FD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:40:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3vAQ-00055o-Ug for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:40:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I3vAN-00052P-4x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:40:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I3vAL-00051J-JC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:40:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3vAL-000519-Er for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:40:13 -0400 Original-Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.242]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I3vAL-0008Hp-4F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:40:13 -0400 Original-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c25so107975ana for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:40:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=VZ+j4qZ+KFapXxYEg1qnTe4Xb+vcoqPr72slMyZizrkOnQmmNDXWUNgnLr7MRmM1z/4kkDds7fD1MNkWc5pUmmgKAOwDxiwY5INR2BIzDMJW7w70FHk6/n0hG45yYZqECi+RxKcsRCoTtSv8Uk+NzWVDDVoE0ubaD2+vCJvD+IY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=U7KXI1A/pot6Z86xFX3Nd3C2v7dZWdX9HxUmqMLt2frS3jQ/PDqlZOjbfw6GDGibCyqBPgj/UiX1sKWV1azxxnvpiwQtPA5xoruWm94MkxaJHCG+tgn3merttjyiG9Ogv9igXrOAB+o1bfvmHHFDDXvAmbZeWaGeRGd+Xn7rw7Y= Original-Received: by 10.100.7.18 with SMTP id 18mr1142640ang.1183041611649; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?201.82.142.28? ( [201.82.142.28]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id d38sm11438016and.2007.06.28.07.40.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:40:10 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070509 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 In-Reply-To: X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:74000 Archived-At: Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On 6/28/07, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> The result is not irrelevant because you may do C-x C-q afterwards. > > Yes, and David (before embarking on a crusade to convince me of what > do I find confusing, or why I shouldn't) already pointed out an > example of how switching to overwrite in a read-only buffer can > sometimes be useful. I don't know how common is, but it is certainly > useful. > >> But maybe a little warning reminding the user that the buffer is not yet >> writable could be added. > > Well, thanks! That was exactly my point: that it could warn "Buffer is > read-only". > >> It doesn't seem tremendously useful, tho: she'll >> figure it out soon enough. > > Agreed: it's not tremendously useful, not even very useful; just nice > to some people, newbies perhaps. That's why I've been using the PgUp > example: the warning about "Beginning of buffer" is not very useful, > but it can be helpful to a newbie that suddenly doesn't understand why > the buffer is not scrolling. David and others have reminded me a > couple times or four that the read-only status is visible on the > modeline. And it is: `--' turns into `%%', or `-*' to `-%'. Not the > most conspicuous of clues, if you're new to Emacs, I think. And if the background color of "Ovwrt" in the modeline is changed to another color (for example, red as in custom-invalid face)?