From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sam Steingold Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gtk scroll bar deficiency Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:56:55 -0400 Message-ID: <4672B6C7.3040509@gnu.org> References: <002201c7ae61$5d13fc00$d10990d4@j4f3n1> <87lkemki35.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <00b701c7aea8$72403de0$4a42fe91@j4f3n1> <013001c7af43$0627f4e0$560690d4@j4f3n1> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181923029 13335 80.91.229.12 (15 Jun 2007 15:57:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: grischka , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 15 17:57:07 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HzEAb-0006Fw-FN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:57:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzEAb-0001ga-3B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:57:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HzEAV-0001e2-V7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:57:00 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HzEAU-0001cS-11 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:56:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzEAT-0001cF-QZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:56:57 -0400 Original-Received: from www.janestcapital.com ([66.155.124.107] helo=smtp.janestcapital.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HzEAT-00037H-As for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:56:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [172.25.131.105] [38.96.172.125] by janestcapital.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.10) id A6D604F0; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:57:10 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (X11/20070326) In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 X-detected-kernel: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+ X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:72964 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I originally thought it was lack of imagination, but given that they reject > requests to lift the restriction by arguing that "this is not supported by > our metaphor", it's pretty clear that it's ideological. this is confusing. Emacs is their major customer (arguably the most important one, definitely one of the 10 most important ones). VIM suffers from the same deficiency, so I guess its maintainers are with us on this matter. What happened to "customer is king"? Does gtk use bugzilla? How about you file a bug report (+ the 3 line patch you mention) and we all vote for it? BTW, does Qt has the same bug? Thanks. Sam. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGcrbHPp1Qsf2qnMcRAnSlAJ9xvbkmwa/Chg7RUQ1xFkdI8Jab5QCdHXuq SMPqKepUADyi0e62WhrlIX8= =naf6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----