* Checkout the sources for the release branch @ 2007-05-23 22:10 Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-23 22:40 ` Jason Rumney 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-23 22:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Emacs Devel I just noticed that the unpatched binaries I upload says 22.1.50.1. So I did a fresh checkout with cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/emacs co emacs This is what the page at Savannah http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=emacs except that I have replaced <modulename> with "emacs". Could someone please complement the page on Savannah so it is possible to understand from it what to do? If that takes time please tell me here what to do. Unfortunately this means for those (very few users) that uses the unpatched binaries from my site that they have got the wrong version now for some time. I am sorry for this. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-23 22:10 Checkout the sources for the release branch Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-23 22:40 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-23 22:52 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-23 22:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Emacs Devel Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > Could someone please complement the page on Savannah so it is possible > to understand from it what to do? If that takes time please tell me > here what to do. If what you want is to compile the pretest, then start with the source from ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-22.0.990.tar.gz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-23 22:40 ` Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-23 22:52 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-23 23:06 ` Andreas Schwab 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-23 22:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jason Rumney; +Cc: Emacs Devel Jason Rumney wrote: > Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >> Could someone please complement the page on Savannah so it is possible >> to understand from it what to do? If that takes time please tell me >> here what to do. > > If what you want is to compile the pretest, then start with the source > from ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/emacs-22.0.990.tar.gz That is in a way a good suggestion, but I would prefer to use the setup I already have. That uses a checkout from the CVS. I just wonder how to do that checkout. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-23 22:52 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-23 23:06 ` Andreas Schwab 2007-05-23 23:20 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Andreas Schwab @ 2007-05-23 23:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Emacs Devel, Jason Rumney "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: > That is in a way a good suggestion, but I would prefer to use the setup I > already have. That uses a checkout from the CVS. I just wonder how to do > that checkout. Use the EMACS_22_BASE branch. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SuSE Labs, schwab@suse.de SuSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany PGP key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-23 23:06 ` Andreas Schwab @ 2007-05-23 23:20 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-23 23:26 ` Chong Yidong 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-23 23:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: Emacs Devel, Jason Rumney Andreas Schwab wrote: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: > >> That is in a way a good suggestion, but I would prefer to use the setup I >> already have. That uses a checkout from the CVS. I just wonder how to do >> that checkout. > > Use the EMACS_22_BASE branch. > > Andreas. Thanks Andreas, but can you say what that means in terms of the command specified on Savannah CVS instructions for Emacs: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/emacs co <modulename> Should I replace module name with something including EMACS_22_BASE or? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-23 23:20 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-23 23:26 ` Chong Yidong 2007-05-23 23:34 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2007-05-23 23:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Andreas Schwab, Jason Rumney, Emacs Devel "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: > Andreas Schwab wrote: >> "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> That is in a way a good suggestion, but I would prefer to use the setup I >>> already have. That uses a checkout from the CVS. I just wonder how to do >>> that checkout. >> >> Use the EMACS_22_BASE branch. >> >> Andreas. > > Thanks Andreas, but can you say what that means in terms of the > command specified on Savannah CVS instructions for Emacs: > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/emacs co > <modulename> > > Should I replace module name with something including EMACS_22_BASE or? cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/emacs co -r EMACS_22_BASE emacs should work. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-23 23:26 ` Chong Yidong @ 2007-05-23 23:34 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-23 23:50 ` Jason Rumney 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-23 23:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: Andreas Schwab, Jason Rumney, Emacs Devel Chong Yidong wrote: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: > >> Andreas Schwab wrote: >>> "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> That is in a way a good suggestion, but I would prefer to use the setup I >>>> already have. That uses a checkout from the CVS. I just wonder how to do >>>> that checkout. >>> Use the EMACS_22_BASE branch. >>> >>> Andreas. >> Thanks Andreas, but can you say what that means in terms of the >> command specified on Savannah CVS instructions for Emacs: >> >> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/emacs co >> <modulename> >> >> Should I replace module name with something including EMACS_22_BASE or? > > cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/emacs > co -r EMACS_22_BASE emacs > > should work. Thanks. New unpatched binaries for w32 are on the way. I think it would help if this information was on the Savannah with instructions for how to get a CVS copy: http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=emacs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-23 23:34 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-23 23:50 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-23 23:54 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-23 23:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Andreas Schwab, Chong Yidong, Emacs Devel Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote > I think it would help if this information was on the Savannah with > instructions for how to get a CVS copy: > > http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=emacs Savannah is not the place to document all the options of the CVS command. CVS has perfectly adequate documentation that fulfils that role already. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-23 23:50 ` Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-23 23:54 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 0:03 ` Jason Rumney 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-23 23:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jason Rumney; +Cc: Andreas Schwab, Chong Yidong, Emacs Devel Jason Rumney wrote: > Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote >> I think it would help if this information was on the Savannah with >> instructions for how to get a CVS copy: >> >> http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=emacs > Savannah is not the place to document all the options of the CVS > command. CVS has perfectly adequate documentation that fulfils that role > already. The information about EMACS_22_BASE is specific to Emacs. Where would you suggest to put that information? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-23 23:54 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 0:03 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 0:14 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 0:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Andreas Schwab, Chong Yidong, Emacs Devel Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > The information about EMACS_22_BASE is specific to Emacs. Where would > you suggest to put that information? > It is probably useful to list the active branches somewhere, but that is a different matter than handholding users through the exact CVS commands to use in every circumstance. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 0:03 ` Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 0:14 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 6:53 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 13:14 ` Checkout the sources for the release branch (with proposed new file) Alan Mackenzie 0 siblings, 2 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 0:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jason Rumney; +Cc: Andreas Schwab, Chong Yidong, Emacs Devel Jason Rumney wrote: > Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >> The information about EMACS_22_BASE is specific to Emacs. Where would >> you suggest to put that information? >> > It is probably useful to list the active branches somewhere, but that is > a different matter than handholding users through the exact CVS commands > to use in every circumstance. I do not think there is anything wrong with handholding per se as long as it does not lead to cluttering of the information. I think the way that saves most time should be used. And then the normal thinking may apply: there are probably many times more readers than writers. (And many of them can potentially be helpful with Emacs.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 0:14 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 6:53 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 10:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 13:14 ` Checkout the sources for the release branch (with proposed new file) Alan Mackenzie 1 sibling, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 6:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Emacs Devel "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: > Jason Rumney wrote: >> Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >>> The information about EMACS_22_BASE is specific to Emacs. Where would >>> you suggest to put that information? >>> >> It is probably useful to list the active branches somewhere, but that is >> a different matter than handholding users through the exact CVS commands >> to use in every circumstance. > > I do not think there is anything wrong with handholding per se as long > as it does not lead to cluttering of the information. > > I think the way that saves most time should be used. And then the > normal thinking may apply: there are probably many times more readers > than writers. (And many of them can potentially be helpful with > Emacs.) People who want to be helpful in pretesting should get the pretest tarballs. That's what they are for. People who use CVS can be expected to acquire a minimum of knowledge for that. -- David Kastrup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 6:53 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 10:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:15 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 10:30 ` Jason Rumney 0 siblings, 2 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 10:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Kastrup; +Cc: Emacs Devel David Kastrup wrote: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: > >> Jason Rumney wrote: >>> Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >>>> The information about EMACS_22_BASE is specific to Emacs. Where would >>>> you suggest to put that information? >>>> >>> It is probably useful to list the active branches somewhere, but that is >>> a different matter than handholding users through the exact CVS commands >>> to use in every circumstance. >> I do not think there is anything wrong with handholding per se as long >> as it does not lead to cluttering of the information. >> >> I think the way that saves most time should be used. And then the >> normal thinking may apply: there are probably many times more readers >> than writers. (And many of them can potentially be helpful with >> Emacs.) > > People who want to be helpful in pretesting should get the pretest > tarballs. That's what they are for. > > People who use CVS can be expected to acquire a minimum of knowledge > for that. And how should they get that? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 10:15 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 10:33 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:30 ` Jason Rumney 1 sibling, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 10:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Emacs Devel "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >> "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Jason Rumney wrote: >>>> Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >>>>> The information about EMACS_22_BASE is specific to Emacs. Where would >>>>> you suggest to put that information? >>>>> >>>> It is probably useful to list the active branches somewhere, but that is >>>> a different matter than handholding users through the exact CVS commands >>>> to use in every circumstance. >>> I do not think there is anything wrong with handholding per se as long >>> as it does not lead to cluttering of the information. >>> >>> I think the way that saves most time should be used. And then the >>> normal thinking may apply: there are probably many times more readers >>> than writers. (And many of them can potentially be helpful with >>> Emacs.) >> >> People who want to be helpful in pretesting should get the pretest >> tarballs. That's what they are for. >> >> People who use CVS can be expected to acquire a minimum of knowledge >> for that. > > And how should they get that? Manuals exist. I see no point whatsoever in starting a tutorial about CVS branches on the Emacs web page. And I see little reason to act surprised that without doing anything, one will continue to update to trunk instead of EMACS_22_BASE or any other branch. -- David Kastrup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:15 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 10:33 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:48 ` David Kastrup 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 10:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Kastrup; +Cc: Emacs Devel David Kastrup wrote: >>> People who want to be helpful in pretesting should get the pretest >>> tarballs. That's what they are for. >>> >>> People who use CVS can be expected to acquire a minimum of knowledge >>> for that. >> And how should they get that? > > Manuals exist. I see no point whatsoever in starting a tutorial about > CVS branches on the Emacs web page. And I see little reason to act > surprised that without doing anything, one will continue to update to > trunk instead of EMACS_22_BASE or any other branch. I think that you maybe are misunderstanding some things. - I am uploading the binaries for w32 from the CVS for others to test. I do not use the unpatched binaries myself. - I do not currently want to spend time setting up for doing the same thing for the tarballs too. - There is nothing on the Savanna page mentioning EMACS_22_BASE. I just did a fresh checkout and did not get EMACS_22_BASE. I guess that is pretty simple to understand (as is nearly everything we can understand at all) if one knows CVS. I do not know that. - If I complain about something I am not doing that because I just want to complain. I did find the current situation less useful. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:33 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 10:48 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 11:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 10:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Emacs Devel "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > >>>> People who want to be helpful in pretesting should get the pretest >>>> tarballs. That's what they are for. >>>> >>>> People who use CVS can be expected to acquire a minimum of knowledge >>>> for that. >>> And how should they get that? >> >> Manuals exist. I see no point whatsoever in starting a tutorial about >> CVS branches on the Emacs web page. And I see little reason to act >> surprised that without doing anything, one will continue to update to >> trunk instead of EMACS_22_BASE or any other branch. > > I think that you maybe are misunderstanding some things. > > - I am uploading the binaries for w32 from the CVS for others to > test. I do not use the unpatched binaries myself. > > - I do not currently want to spend time setting up for doing the same > thing for the tarballs too. > > - There is nothing on the Savanna page mentioning EMACS_22_BASE. That's why you are supposed to read emacs-devel. > I just did a fresh checkout and did not get EMACS_22_BASE. Why should you, when you are not asking for it? > I guess that is pretty simple to understand (as is nearly everything > we can understand at all) if one knows CVS. I do not know that. That's hardly a problem with Emacs or its web pages. If you have no clue whatsoever about the tools you are using and expect to magically have them switch branches, there is no amount of handholding that could reliably keep you from shooting yourself in your foot. It is not like the existence of EMACS_22_BASE as a _separate_ branch from the trunk has been kept a secret on the list. > - If I complain about something I am not doing that because I just > want to complain. I did find the current situation less useful. I don't see any remedy that would address your problem, namely that you don't understand what you are doing and can't be bothered to read up on it. The discussion about the release branch has been going on for months now. What do you think people are talking about? -- David Kastrup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:48 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 11:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 11:42 ` David Kastrup ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 11:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Kastrup; +Cc: Emacs Devel David Kastrup wrote: > That's hardly a problem with Emacs or its web pages. If you have no > clue whatsoever about the tools you are using and expect to magically > have them switch branches, there is no amount of handholding that > could reliably keep you from shooting yourself in your foot. > > It is not like the existence of EMACS_22_BASE as a _separate_ branch > from the trunk has been kept a secret on the list. > >> - If I complain about something I am not doing that because I just >> want to complain. I did find the current situation less useful. > > I don't see any remedy that would address your problem, namely that > you don't understand what you are doing and can't be bothered to read > up on it. > > The discussion about the release branch has been going on for months > now. What do you think people are talking about? Maybe you are right, but I think we would move forward better if you tried to see things from my point of view. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 11:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 11:42 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 13:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 12:57 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen 2007-05-24 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 2 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 11:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Emacs Devel "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: > Maybe you are right, but I think we would move forward better if you > tried to see things from my point of view. That is because you refuse to admit any other view or direction, so the only way to "move forward" is to adapt your views and go your way. When people are of the opinion that this is the wrong way, there is little incentive for them to "move forward". -- David Kastrup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 11:42 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 13:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Kastrup; +Cc: Emacs Devel David Kastrup wrote: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: > >> Maybe you are right, but I think we would move forward better if you >> tried to see things from my point of view. > > That is because you refuse to admit any other view or direction, so > the only way to "move forward" is to adapt your views and go your way. I do not want to argue about your conclusion, but this is your (and I believe some other peoples) conclusion. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 11:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 11:42 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 12:57 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen 2007-05-24 13:08 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 2 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Thien-Thi Nguyen @ 2007-05-24 12:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Emacs Devel () "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> () Thu, 24 May 2007 13:24:44 +0200 Maybe you are right, but I think we would move forward better if you tried to see things from my point of view. your point of view is one of willful ignorance. to move from willful (and oftentimes hard-won) non-ignorance to willful ignorance is moving backwards, since ignorance is everyone's natural start state. that you ask others move backwards is unlikely to be fruitful if you do not act to move yourself forwards. people can wait for the slow but for the stopped, who has infinite patience? thi ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 12:57 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen @ 2007-05-24 13:08 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thien-Thi Nguyen; +Cc: Emacs Devel Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: > () "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> > () Thu, 24 May 2007 13:24:44 +0200 > > Maybe you are right, but I think we would move forward better if you > tried to see things from my point of view. > > your point of view is one of willful ignorance. There is more to it than that. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 11:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 11:42 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 12:57 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen @ 2007-05-24 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 13:33 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: emacs-devel > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:24:44 +0200 > From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> > Cc: Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org> > > Maybe you are right, but I think we would move forward better if you > tried to see things from my point of view. You cannot expect others to see things from your point of view, if you never see things from theirs. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 13:33 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 13:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:24:44 +0200 >> From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> >> Cc: Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org> >> >> Maybe you are right, but I think we would move forward better if you >> tried to see things from my point of view. > > You cannot expect others to see things from your point of view, if you > never see things from theirs. No of course not. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:15 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 10:30 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 10:35 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 1 sibling, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 10:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Emacs Devel Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >> >> People who use CVS can be expected to acquire a minimum of knowledge >> for that. > > And how should they get that? By reading the manual which is linked from the same page on Savannah! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:30 ` Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 10:35 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:43 ` David Kastrup ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 10:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jason Rumney; +Cc: Emacs Devel Jason Rumney wrote: > Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >>> People who use CVS can be expected to acquire a minimum of knowledge >>> for that. >> And how should they get that? > By reading the manual which is linked from the same page on Savannah! I meant of course how they should know that EMACS_22_BASE exists. And that this is what will be released. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:35 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 10:43 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 10:48 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:47 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 10:53 ` Eli Zaretskii 2 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 10:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Emacs Devel, Jason Rumney "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: > Jason Rumney wrote: >> Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >>>> People who use CVS can be expected to acquire a minimum of knowledge >>>> for that. >>> And how should they get that? >> By reading the manual which is linked from the same page on Savannah! > > I meant of course how they should know that EMACS_22_BASE exists. And > that this is what will be released. It isn't what will be released. What will be released is what is _tagged_ as the release, and once it is tagged, there will be a tarball for it. If we are in the process of being close to a release, we also have pretest tarballs. People who are dealing on a regular base with Emacs' CVS are also told to read emacs-devel to know what they are dealing with. And sorry, if you have not noticed by now by the ongoing discussions on emacs-devel that there is an EMACS_22_BASE branch that is going to be used for releasing Emacs 22.1, then no amount of additional handholding is going to help you. Don't tell me that you are reading the static Emacs CVS instructions regularly and would have noticed if recently some branch-specific info would have been put there. -- David Kastrup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:43 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 10:48 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:57 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-27 23:48 ` Giorgos Keramidas 0 siblings, 2 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 10:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Kastrup; +Cc: Emacs Devel, Jason Rumney David Kastrup wrote: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes: > >> Jason Rumney wrote: >>> Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >>>>> People who use CVS can be expected to acquire a minimum of knowledge >>>>> for that. >>>> And how should they get that? >>> By reading the manual which is linked from the same page on Savannah! >> I meant of course how they should know that EMACS_22_BASE exists. And >> that this is what will be released. > > It isn't what will be released. What will be released is what is > _tagged_ as the release, and once it is tagged, there will be a > tarball for it. If we are in the process of being close to a release, > we also have pretest tarballs. Thanks, but I am not sure I understand the difference. > People who are dealing on a regular base with Emacs' CVS are also told > to read emacs-devel to know what they are dealing with. > > And sorry, if you have not noticed by now by the ongoing discussions > on emacs-devel that there is an EMACS_22_BASE branch that is going to > be used for releasing Emacs 22.1, then no amount of additional > handholding is going to help you. Are you sure you are not writing about your problem, not mine? I found nothing interesting from the point of the information matter I asked about here. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:48 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 10:57 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 11:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-27 23:48 ` Giorgos Keramidas 1 sibling, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: jasonr, emacs-devel > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:48:19 +0200 > From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> > Cc: Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org> > > I found nothing interesting from the point of the information matter > I asked about here. It seems that you find interesting only arguments with which you agree. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:57 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 11:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 11:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: jasonr, emacs-devel Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:48:19 +0200 >> From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> >> Cc: Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org> >> >> I found nothing interesting from the point of the information matter >> I asked about here. > > It seems that you find interesting only arguments with which you > agree. Not at all. I found both your and David's comments very interesting, but it did not give me the information I asked for. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 11:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 14:25 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 13:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: jasonr, emacs-devel > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:07:47 +0200 > From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> > CC: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:48:19 +0200 > >> From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> > >> Cc: Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org> > >> > >> I found nothing interesting from the point of the information matter > >> I asked about here. > > > > It seems that you find interesting only arguments with which you > > agree. > > Not at all. I found both your and David's comments very interesting, but > it did not give me the information I asked for. That's funny, because I certainly see in David's comments the information you asked for. Maybe you were looking for agreement, not for information. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 14:25 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 14:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: jasonr, emacs-devel Eli Zaretskii wrote: > That's funny, because I certainly see in David's comments the > information you asked for. Maybe you were looking for agreement, not > for information. I think I know what I am asking for. And yes I like agreements. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:48 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:57 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-27 23:48 ` Giorgos Keramidas 2007-05-28 0:14 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 1 sibling, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Giorgos Keramidas @ 2007-05-27 23:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Jason Rumney, Emacs Devel On 2007-05-24 12:48, "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> wrote: > David Kastrup wrote: > > It isn't what will be released. What will be released is > > what is _tagged_ as the release, and once it is tagged, there > > will be a tarball for it. If we are in the process of being > > close to a release, we also have pretest tarballs. > > Thanks, but I am not sure I understand the difference. David means that the current state of the source tree in the `EMACS_22_BASE' branch is not finalized for a release, and there may very well be several commits *in* the branch before the "head of the branch" is considered release-quality. Lennart, I see that elsethread, people have helped you with the -r option of cvs(1) for checking out from the branch (instead of the main CVS "HEAD" branch). If that is not enough, or if you need help with the `EMACS_22_BASE' branch and the necessary CVS options to make good use of it, please feel free to ask me. I've been using CVS extensively for more than 10 years now, so please consider this an offer for a helping hand whenever you are intrigued by the way CVS works. Guys, there's no need for lengthy, flame-like threads. I'm sure we all have better ways to spend our time. Lennart had a question about CVS usage, we answered it. I am surprised this thread is still going after so many days! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-27 23:48 ` Giorgos Keramidas @ 2007-05-28 0:14 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-28 0:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Giorgos Keramidas; +Cc: Emacs Devel Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2007-05-24 12:48, > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> wrote: >> David Kastrup wrote: >>> It isn't what will be released. What will be released is >>> what is _tagged_ as the release, and once it is tagged, there >>> will be a tarball for it. If we are in the process of being >>> close to a release, we also have pretest tarballs. >> Thanks, but I am not sure I understand the difference. > > David means that the current state of the source tree in the > `EMACS_22_BASE' branch is not finalized for a release, and there may > very well be several commits *in* the branch before the "head of the > branch" is considered release-quality. > > Lennart, I see that elsethread, people have helped you with the -r > option of cvs(1) for checking out from the branch (instead of the main > CVS "HEAD" branch). If that is not enough, or if you need help with the > `EMACS_22_BASE' branch and the necessary CVS options to make good use of > it, please feel free to ask me. I've been using CVS extensively for > more than 10 years now, so please consider this an offer for a helping > hand whenever you are intrigued by the way CVS works. > > Guys, there's no need for lengthy, flame-like threads. I'm sure we all > have better ways to spend our time. Lennart had a question about CVS > usage, we answered it. I am surprised this thread is still going after > so many days! Thanks Giorgos. I appreciate your kindness and will remember your offer. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:35 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:43 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 10:47 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 11:26 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:53 ` Eli Zaretskii 2 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 10:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Emacs Devel Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > I meant of course how they should know that EMACS_22_BASE exists. And > that this is what will be released. Currently, they would have to read emacs-devel to know this. The pages on savannah appear to be boilerplate that is the same across projects (apart from the project name being substituted in several places), so it may not be possible to put this information on the cvs page on savannah. But it should go somewhere, perhaps the project description if we can't change the cvs page. But this requires someone to volunteer to keep that information up to date as new branches are created, and old ones are merged back to the trunk or die off. Currently savannah is just there by default, noone actively maintains the information about Emacs. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:47 ` Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 11:26 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 0 siblings, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 11:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jason Rumney; +Cc: Emacs Devel Jason Rumney wrote: > Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >> I meant of course how they should know that EMACS_22_BASE exists. And >> that this is what will be released. > > Currently, they would have to read emacs-devel to know this. The pages > on savannah appear to be boilerplate that is the same across projects > (apart from the project name being substituted in several places), so it > may not be possible to put this information on the cvs page on savannah. > But it should go somewhere, perhaps the project description if we can't > change the cvs page. > > But this requires someone to volunteer to keep that information up to > date as new branches are created, and old ones are merged back to the > trunk or die off. Currently savannah is just there by default, noone > actively maintains the information about Emacs. Ok, I suspected something like that. Thanks for the clarification. I think some remedy to this would be good. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:35 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:43 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 10:47 ` Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 10:53 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 11:16 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 10:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: emacs-devel, jasonr > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:35:18 +0200 > From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> > Cc: Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org> > > Jason Rumney wrote: > > Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > >>> People who use CVS can be expected to acquire a minimum of knowledge > >>> for that. > >> And how should they get that? > > By reading the manual which is linked from the same page on Savannah! > > I meant of course how they should know that EMACS_22_BASE exists. What's wrong with "cvs log"? > And that this is what will be released. Why would they care, if they use the CVS code? People who care about what's going to be released should use the pretest tarballs. If _you_ care about that, I urge you to produce the binaries from the pretest tarballs, not from CVS branches. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 10:53 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 11:16 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 11:27 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 13:18 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 2 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 11:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel, jasonr Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:35:18 +0200 >> From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> >> Cc: Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org> >> >> Jason Rumney wrote: >>> Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >>>>> People who use CVS can be expected to acquire a minimum of knowledge >>>>> for that. >>>> And how should they get that? >>> By reading the manual which is linked from the same page on Savannah! >> I meant of course how they should know that EMACS_22_BASE exists. > > What's wrong with "cvs log"? Just that I have no idea where to find the information. I could of course read the manual, learn everything about CVS, but for the little thing I am asking about it I hoped for cooperation. >> And that this is what will be released. > > Why would they care, if they use the CVS code? People who care about > what's going to be released should use the pretest tarballs. If _you_ > care about that, I urge you to produce the binaries from the pretest > tarballs, not from CVS branches. I have thought about it, but my conclusion is that I should not. I might be wrong. What I believe is that after the release there will be binaries for w32 avaliable from the ftp site where the tarballs are. Is not that correct? Why not make those now then? Or do you mean help is needed with that? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 11:16 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 11:27 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 11:38 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 13:18 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > What I believe is that after the release there will be binaries for > w32 avaliable from the ftp site where the tarballs are. Is not that > correct? Yes, I have recently updated my GPG key so I can upload to ftp.gnu.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 11:27 ` Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 11:38 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 12:01 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 2 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 11:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jason Rumney; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel Jason Rumney wrote: > Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >> What I believe is that after the release there will be binaries for >> w32 avaliable from the ftp site where the tarballs are. Is not that >> correct? > > Yes, I have recently updated my GPG key so I can upload to ftp.gnu.org Perhaps could you also upload from the pretest tarball now? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 11:38 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 12:01 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 12:09 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 12:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > Perhaps could you also upload from the pretest tarball now? I think we have enough people pretesting on Windows now without needing to supply pretest binaries. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 12:01 ` Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 12:09 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 12:23 ` Ralf Angeli 2007-05-24 13:23 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 2 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 12:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jason Rumney; +Cc: emacs-devel Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org> writes: > Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >> Perhaps could you also upload from the pretest tarball now? > > I think we have enough people pretesting on Windows now without needing > to supply pretest binaries. Supplying pretest binaries would offer some reassurance that the process of building the binaries will not introduce problems that may not be apparent on other systems building those by themselves. It may appear somewhat late in the release process for this, but on the other hand nobody betting against some particular release date has yet to lose any money on the wager. -- David Kastrup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 12:09 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 12:23 ` Ralf Angeli 2007-05-24 12:30 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 13:23 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Ralf Angeli @ 2007-05-24 12:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel * David Kastrup (2007-05-24) writes: > Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org> writes: > >> Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >>> Perhaps could you also upload from the pretest tarball now? >> >> I think we have enough people pretesting on Windows now without needing >> to supply pretest binaries. > > Supplying pretest binaries would offer some reassurance that the > process of building the binaries will not introduce problems that may > not be apparent on other systems building those by themselves. The binaries at <URL:ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/auctex/> are built from pretest tar balls. The only difference is the addition of AUCTeX which can be mostly disabled by starting with -no-site-file. -- Ralf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 12:23 ` Ralf Angeli @ 2007-05-24 12:30 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 12:43 ` Ralf Angeli 2007-05-24 13:15 ` Jason Rumney 0 siblings, 2 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ralf Angeli; +Cc: emacs-devel Ralf Angeli <angeli@caeruleus.net> writes: > * David Kastrup (2007-05-24) writes: > >> Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org> writes: >> >>> Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: >>>> Perhaps could you also upload from the pretest tarball now? >>> >>> I think we have enough people pretesting on Windows now without needing >>> to supply pretest binaries. >> >> Supplying pretest binaries would offer some reassurance that the >> process of building the binaries will not introduce problems that may >> not be apparent on other systems building those by themselves. > > The binaries at <URL:ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/auctex/> are built from > pretest tar balls. The only difference is the addition of AUCTeX which > can be mostly disabled by starting with -no-site-file. It does not really address my point: I agree with Jason that we probably have enough people pretesting Windows binaries _built_ _elsewhere_. The idea was to have people testing Windows binaries built by the same process and on the same computer that will get used for the final release. It would be embarrassing, for example, if we figured out after the final release of the binaries that _this_ machine had no or insecure image libraries. Using the same process _including_ the same machine and installation for pretest and release makes sure that such things have a chance to become apparent during the pretest. -- David Kastrup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 12:30 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 12:43 ` Ralf Angeli 2007-05-24 13:15 ` Jason Rumney 1 sibling, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Ralf Angeli @ 2007-05-24 12:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Kastrup; +Cc: emacs-devel * David Kastrup (2007-05-24) writes: > It does not really address my point: I agree with Jason that we > probably have enough people pretesting Windows binaries _built_ > _elsewhere_. Okay. > The idea was to have people testing Windows binaries built by the same > process and on the same computer that will get used for the final > release. It would be embarrassing, for example, if we figured out > after the final release of the binaries that _this_ machine had no or > insecure image libraries. The image libraries are a good point, since they will have to be provided somehow for Windows users. They could be distributed with the binary tar ball or people have to be pointed to appropriate download locations. -- Ralf ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 12:30 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 12:43 ` Ralf Angeli @ 2007-05-24 13:15 ` Jason Rumney 1 sibling, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 13:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Kastrup; +Cc: Ralf Angeli, emacs-devel David Kastrup wrote: > The idea was to have people testing Windows binaries built by the same > process and on the same computer that will get used for the final > release. It would be embarrassing, for example, if we figured out > after the final release of the binaries that _this_ machine had no or > insecure image libraries. > The image libraries are irrelevant, as we won't be redistributing them ourselves. While I agree in principle with what you are saying, I have only just started looking at changing the packaging scripts to take into account the extra functionality we are putting into this release - the lisp reference, leim as an integral part of Emacs rather than a separate package, emacsclient, etc - so I cannot upload anything at the moment. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 12:09 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 12:23 ` Ralf Angeli @ 2007-05-24 13:23 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 13:54 ` David Kastrup 1 sibling, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 13:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Kastrup; +Cc: emacs-devel, jasonr > From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:09:33 +0200 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Supplying pretest binaries would offer some reassurance that the > process of building the binaries will not introduce problems that may > not be apparent on other systems building those by themselves. This is no different from other platforms, including GNU/Linux. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 13:23 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 13:54 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel, jasonr Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> >> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:09:33 +0200 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> Supplying pretest binaries would offer some reassurance that the >> process of building the binaries will not introduce problems that may >> not be apparent on other systems building those by themselves. > > This is no different from other platforms, including GNU/Linux. We don't offer binaries for those. -- David Kastrup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 13:54 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 14:23 ` David Kastrup 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 14:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Kastrup; +Cc: emacs-devel, jasonr > Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:54:19 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > >> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> > >> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:09:33 +0200 > >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > >> > >> Supplying pretest binaries would offer some reassurance that the > >> process of building the binaries will not introduce problems that may > >> not be apparent on other systems building those by themselves. > > > > This is no different from other platforms, including GNU/Linux. > > We don't offer binaries for those. The various GNU/Linux distributions do. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 14:23 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel, jasonr Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> >> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:54:19 +0200 >> >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> >> >> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> >> >> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:09:33 +0200 >> >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> >> >> Supplying pretest binaries would offer some reassurance that the >> >> process of building the binaries will not introduce problems that may >> >> not be apparent on other systems building those by themselves. >> > >> > This is no different from other platforms, including GNU/Linux. >> >> We don't offer binaries for those. > > The various GNU/Linux distributions do. How would that be relevant for us? We need to pretest the things _we_ will put on our servers for the release. That is the source tarball, and binaries for Windows. -- David Kastrup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 14:23 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 20:38 ` David Kastrup 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 18:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Kastrup; +Cc: emacs-devel, jasonr > Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:23:48 +0200 > > >> >> Supplying pretest binaries would offer some reassurance that the > >> >> process of building the binaries will not introduce problems that may > >> >> not be apparent on other systems building those by themselves. > >> > > >> > This is no different from other platforms, including GNU/Linux. > >> > >> We don't offer binaries for those. > > > > The various GNU/Linux distributions do. > > How would that be relevant for us? We need to pretest the things _we_ > will put on our servers for the release. That is the source tarball, > and binaries for Windows. The Windows binaries are no more produced by ``us'' than the various GNU/Linux binaries. The GNU Project distributes only sources, AFAIK. The fact that GNU lends disk space on its FTP servers for volunteers to upload Windows binaries does not change anything in principle. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 20:38 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-25 5:34 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel, jasonr Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> >> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:23:48 +0200 >> >> >> >> Supplying pretest binaries would offer some reassurance that the >> >> >> process of building the binaries will not introduce problems that may >> >> >> not be apparent on other systems building those by themselves. >> >> > >> >> > This is no different from other platforms, including GNU/Linux. >> >> >> >> We don't offer binaries for those. >> > >> > The various GNU/Linux distributions do. >> >> How would that be relevant for us? We need to pretest the things _we_ >> will put on our servers for the release. That is the source tarball, >> and binaries for Windows. > > The Windows binaries are no more produced by ``us'' than the various > GNU/Linux binaries. I wrote "put on our servers", not "produced by us". If you don't feel like addressing my point, there is little gained by addressing a different one. > The GNU Project distributes only sources, AFAIK. The fact that GNU > lends disk space on its FTP servers for volunteers to upload Windows > binaries does not change anything in principle. It will still be us that get the heat. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 20:38 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-25 5:34 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-25 5:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Kastrup; +Cc: emacs-devel > From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:38:36 +0200 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org > > >> How would that be relevant for us? We need to pretest the things _we_ > >> will put on our servers for the release. That is the source tarball, > >> and binaries for Windows. > > > > The Windows binaries are no more produced by ``us'' than the various > > GNU/Linux binaries. > > I wrote "put on our servers", not "produced by us". If you don't feel > like addressing my point, there is little gained by addressing a > different one. The emphasis on _we_ was yours. Don't blame me if I pay attention to your emphasis. > > The GNU Project distributes only sources, AFAIK. The fact that GNU > > lends disk space on its FTP servers for volunteers to upload Windows > > binaries does not change anything in principle. > > It will still be us that get the heat. As are things with other GNU/Linux distributions, btw. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 11:38 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 12:01 ` Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: emacs-devel, jasonr > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:38:06 +0200 > From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > Yes, I have recently updated my GPG key so I can upload to ftp.gnu.org > > Perhaps could you also upload from the pretest tarball now? No, ftp.gnu.org is not appropriate for pretest versions. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 11:16 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 11:27 ` Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 13:18 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 13:31 ` Alan Mackenzie 2007-05-24 14:06 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 1 sibling, 2 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: emacs-devel, jasonr > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:16:11 +0200 > From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> > CC: jasonr@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > >> I meant of course how they should know that EMACS_22_BASE exists. > > > > What's wrong with "cvs log"? > > Just that I have no idea where to find the information. You don't need to find it, it will look right at you: "cvs log" lists all the branches that are known to the repository. And a name such as EMACS_22_BASE is sufficiently self-explanatory. > What I believe is that after the release there will be binaries for w32 > avaliable from the ftp site where the tarballs are. Is not that correct? > Why not make those now then? All GNU projects put their pretest versions on alpha.gnu.org. ftp.gnu.org, by contrast, is for released versions, so we should not put binaries there until Emacs 22.1 is released. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 13:18 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 13:31 ` Alan Mackenzie 2007-05-24 14:04 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-26 17:55 ` Michael Schierl 2007-05-24 14:06 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 1 sibling, 2 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Alan Mackenzie @ 2007-05-24 13:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: jasonr, Lennart Borgman (gmail), emacs-devel Hi, Eli! On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 04:18:25PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:16:11 +0200 > > From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> > > CC: jasonr@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > >> I meant of course how they should know that EMACS_22_BASE exists. > > > What's wrong with "cvs log"? > > Just that I have no idea where to find the information. > You don't need to find it, it will look right at you: "cvs log" lists > all the branches that are known to the repository. And a name such as > EMACS_22_BASE is sufficiently self-explanatory. I think Lennart meant that he didn't know where to find out that the command "cvs log" existed, and was relevant; that he hadn't guessed that there was such a command. Lennart: you must have CVS installed on your machine, somehow; it will contain a file cvs.texi (or similar), which you can compile into an info file and then read on Emacs. There are MS-Windows versions of gunzip, tar and makeinfo floating around on the Internet. Do this - it's well worth the bother. > All GNU projects put their pretest versions on alpha.gnu.org. > ftp.gnu.org, by contrast, is for released versions, so we should not > put binaries there until Emacs 22.1 is released. Thanks, I didn't know that! -- Alan. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 13:31 ` Alan Mackenzie @ 2007-05-24 14:04 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-26 17:55 ` Michael Schierl 1 sibling, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 14:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Mackenzie; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, jasonr, emacs-devel Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hi, Eli! > > On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 04:18:25PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:16:11 +0200 >>> From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> >>> CC: jasonr@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > >>>>> I meant of course how they should know that EMACS_22_BASE exists. > >>>> What's wrong with "cvs log"? > >>> Just that I have no idea where to find the information. > >> You don't need to find it, it will look right at you: "cvs log" lists >> all the branches that are known to the repository. And a name such as >> EMACS_22_BASE is sufficiently self-explanatory. Thanks Eli, I see what you mean now, but I believe it could be made much easier for those of us that do not know very much about CVS. > I think Lennart meant that he didn't know where to find out that the > command "cvs log" existed, and was relevant; that he hadn't guessed that > there was such a command. That is true. > Lennart: you must have CVS installed on your machine, somehow; it will > contain a file cvs.texi (or similar), which you can compile into an info > file and then read on Emacs. There are MS-Windows versions of gunzip, > tar and makeinfo floating around on the Internet. Do this - it's well > worth the bother. Thanks Alan. It looks a bit different on MS-Windows. But I can get the documentation on the net. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 13:31 ` Alan Mackenzie 2007-05-24 14:04 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-26 17:55 ` Michael Schierl 1 sibling, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Michael Schierl @ 2007-05-26 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-devel; +Cc: lennart.borgman On 24 May 2007 15:31:20 +0200, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Lennart: you must have CVS installed on your machine, somehow; it will > contain a file cvs.texi (or similar), which you can compile into an info > file and then read on Emacs. There are MS-Windows versions of gunzip, > tar and makeinfo floating around on the Internet. Do this - it's well > worth the bother. You might as well look at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ where you can download a PDF version of the book "Open Source Development with CVS" (and a HTML version of an older edition of it). In my opinion, it is more suited to give an overview how CVS works (and why it works like that) than the info manual. On the other hand, the info manual is usually better as a reference if you know exactly what you want to archieve. Michael ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 13:18 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 13:31 ` Alan Mackenzie @ 2007-05-24 14:06 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel, jasonr Eli Zaretskii wrote: > All GNU projects put their pretest versions on alpha.gnu.org. > ftp.gnu.org, by contrast, is for released versions, so we should not > put binaries there until Emacs 22.1 is released. Thanks, I see. But why not put them on alpha.gnu.org? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch 2007-05-24 14:06 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-24 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2007-05-24 18:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail); +Cc: emacs-devel, jasonr > Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:06:33 +0200 > From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> > CC: jasonr@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > All GNU projects put their pretest versions on alpha.gnu.org. > > ftp.gnu.org, by contrast, is for released versions, so we should not > > put binaries there until Emacs 22.1 is released. > > Thanks, I see. But why not put them on alpha.gnu.org? No reason, except that no one has volunteered to do the job. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch (with proposed new file) 2007-05-24 0:14 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 6:53 ` David Kastrup @ 2007-05-24 13:14 ` Alan Mackenzie 2007-05-24 13:33 ` Stefan Monnier ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Alan Mackenzie @ 2007-05-24 13:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lennart Borgman (gmail) Cc: Andreas Schwab, Chong Yidong, Emacs Devel, Jason Rumney Hi, Lennart! On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 02:14:36AM +0200, Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > Jason Rumney wrote: > >Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > >>The information about EMACS_22_BASE is specific to Emacs. Where would > >>you suggest to put that information? > >It is probably useful to list the active branches somewhere, but that > >is a different matter than handholding users through the exact CVS > >commands to use in every circumstance. > I do not think there is anything wrong with handholding per se as long > as it does not lead to cluttering of the information. > I think the way that saves most time should be used. And then the > normal thinking may apply: there are probably many times more readers > than writers. (And many of them can potentially be helpful with Emacs.) I tend to agree with you about hand-holding. Far too often on technical forums one sees "RTFM", often written by people who have forgotten how difficult it is to find the FM, or even the pertinent part of the FM. I find this unhelpful and frequently objectionable. Surely we're supposed to be helping eachother? I think a far better approach than "RTFM" is simply to write a one line answer, as Chong has done. Even better is to supplement this by directing the asker to the right page in the right manual. I believe there should a file in savannah listing our CVS branches, it should be at the top level, and it should be called description-of-branches.txt (not some meaningless overlookable name like "branches.txt"). Here is a prototype of what that file might look like (with acknowledgement to Kevin Rogers who answered my Usenet post of 2004 which asked what all the branches were): ######################################################################### This file summarises the branches which exist in the Emacs CVS repository. Additionally, there is an arch repository, maintained by Miles Bader. If you want to check out a particular branch of the Emacs CVS, use a command like this: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/emacs \ checkoout -r EMACS_22_BASE emacs . If you already have the CVS sources on your machine and want to change the branch they're on, use a command like this (from the top level directory): cvs update -r EMACS_22_BASE . Full details of these commands are in the CVS manual, page "Accessing Branches". Here is a summary of the branches - not all of them are being actively developed: o - MAIN (also known as "the trunk"): The trunk is where new features and bug fixes are committed. At some stage in the future, the changes accumulated here will be released as Emacs 23. o - EMACS_22_BASE: this branch is about to be released as Emacs 22.1. Currently (2007-05-24), only urgent bug fixes should be committed here - ask RMS first. Any such fixes should also be made in the trunk. o - multi_tty: For several tty's in a single Emacs instance. o - lexbind: An Emacs whose Lisp has been enhanced to use lexical binding of variables. o - emacs-bidi: "bi-directional": An Emacs which supports both left-to-right and right-to-left languages in a single session. o - unicode-xft: o - emacs-unicode-2: o - rmail-mbox-branch: o - gnus-5_10-branch: ######################################################################### -- Alan Mackenzie (Ittersbach, Germany). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch (with proposed new file) 2007-05-24 13:14 ` Checkout the sources for the release branch (with proposed new file) Alan Mackenzie @ 2007-05-24 13:33 ` Stefan Monnier 2007-05-24 16:01 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 2007-05-24 15:47 ` csant 2007-05-24 18:43 ` Miles Bader 2 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2007-05-24 13:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Mackenzie Cc: Andreas Schwab, Chong Yidong, Jason Rumney, Lennart Borgman (gmail), Emacs Devel > I believe there should a file in savannah listing our CVS branches, it > should be at the top level, and it should be called > description-of-branches.txt (not some meaningless overlookable name like > "branches.txt"). Problem is: where to place it so that the casual user can find it? I believe there should be a standard way to do that in savannah, both for CVS repositories and for Arch repositories (and for any other). Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch (with proposed new file) 2007-05-24 13:33 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2007-05-24 16:01 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 0 siblings, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2007-05-24 16:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier Cc: Andreas Schwab, Chong Yidong, Lennart Borgman (gmail), Jason Rumney, Alan Mackenzie, Emacs Devel Stefan Monnier writes: > Problem is: where to place it so that the casual user can find it? > I believe there should be a standard way to do that in savannah, both for > CVS repositories and for Arch repositories (and for any other). This isn't right (it's unclean and won't even be visible without scrolling unless you have a *really* tall page in the browser, and probably doesn't apply to Arch), but maybe it will give someone an idea: How about putting it in README.sticky-tags in the root directory of the emacs module, where it will be sitting under the "Sticky Tag" combo box in ViewVC: http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/emacs/?root=emacs Maybe that box could be relabelled "Branches and Sticky Tags", and some way provided to associate comments with tags in ViewVC. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch (with proposed new file) 2007-05-24 13:14 ` Checkout the sources for the release branch (with proposed new file) Alan Mackenzie 2007-05-24 13:33 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2007-05-24 15:47 ` csant 2007-05-24 18:43 ` Miles Bader 2 siblings, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: csant @ 2007-05-24 15:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Mackenzie; +Cc: emacs-devel On Thu, 24 May 2007 15:14:01 +0200, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> wrote: > o - multi_tty: For several tty's in a single Emacs instance. s/multi_tty/multi-tty/ See message from Miles Bader on 2007-05-13. /c ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch (with proposed new file) 2007-05-24 13:14 ` Checkout the sources for the release branch (with proposed new file) Alan Mackenzie 2007-05-24 13:33 ` Stefan Monnier 2007-05-24 15:47 ` csant @ 2007-05-24 18:43 ` Miles Bader 2007-05-24 20:38 ` Jason Rumney 2 siblings, 1 reply; 65+ messages in thread From: Miles Bader @ 2007-05-24 18:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Mackenzie Cc: Andreas Schwab, Chong Yidong, Jason Rumney, Lennart Borgman (gmail), Emacs Devel Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes: > Here is a summary of the branches - not all of them are being actively > developed: > o - multi_tty: For several tty's in a single Emacs instance. => multi-tty > o - gnus-5_10-branch: Very obsolete. There are a lot of tags that arguably should just be deleted... -Miles -- Americans are broad-minded people. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater, and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there is something wrong with him. -- Art Buchwald ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
* Re: Checkout the sources for the release branch (with proposed new file) 2007-05-24 18:43 ` Miles Bader @ 2007-05-24 20:38 ` Jason Rumney 0 siblings, 0 replies; 65+ messages in thread From: Jason Rumney @ 2007-05-24 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Miles Bader Cc: Alan Mackenzie, Chong Yidong, Emacs Devel, Lennart Borgman (gmail), Andreas Schwab Miles Bader wrote: > There are a lot of tags that arguably should just be deleted... > Deleting branch tags makes the branch almost impossible to reach (single files can be referenced by revision number, but for more than a handful of files this is too much effort). It would be better just to document somewhere which branches are active, and which have recently become inactive and why (merged, released, abandoned...). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 65+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2007-05-28 0:14 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 65+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2007-05-23 22:10 Checkout the sources for the release branch Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-23 22:40 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-23 22:52 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-23 23:06 ` Andreas Schwab 2007-05-23 23:20 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-23 23:26 ` Chong Yidong 2007-05-23 23:34 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-23 23:50 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-23 23:54 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 0:03 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 0:14 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 6:53 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 10:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:15 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 10:33 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:48 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 11:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 11:42 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 13:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 12:57 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen 2007-05-24 13:08 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 13:33 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:30 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 10:35 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:43 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 10:48 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:57 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 11:07 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 14:25 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-27 23:48 ` Giorgos Keramidas 2007-05-28 0:14 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:47 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 11:26 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 10:53 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 11:16 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 11:27 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 11:38 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 12:01 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 12:09 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 12:23 ` Ralf Angeli 2007-05-24 12:30 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 12:43 ` Ralf Angeli 2007-05-24 13:15 ` Jason Rumney 2007-05-24 13:23 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 13:54 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 14:23 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-24 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 20:38 ` David Kastrup 2007-05-25 5:34 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 13:18 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 13:31 ` Alan Mackenzie 2007-05-24 14:04 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-26 17:55 ` Michael Schierl 2007-05-24 14:06 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-24 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii 2007-05-24 13:14 ` Checkout the sources for the release branch (with proposed new file) Alan Mackenzie 2007-05-24 13:33 ` Stefan Monnier 2007-05-24 16:01 ` Stephen J. Turnbull 2007-05-24 15:47 ` csant 2007-05-24 18:43 ` Miles Bader 2007-05-24 20:38 ` Jason Rumney
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