fullscreen does not work

fullscreen does not work

[Cecil Westerhof]

I am working with
        GNU Emacs 21.3.1 (i586-suse-linux, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of\
          2004-12-17 on d71

When I start Emacs with the fullscreen option, I get:
        (emacs --fullscreen)
        .
        .
        .
        command-line-1: Unknown option `--fullscreen'
        Loading lazy-lock...done

What is happening here?

Re: fullscreen does not work

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 19.04.2007 um 19:38 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:

> When I start Emacs with the fullscreen option, I get:

Can you check with index-apropos whether your version supports this  
option? Then it should also support `--fullwidth' and `--fullheight' ...

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Re: fullscreen does not work

[Robert D. Crawford]

Cecil Westerhof <dummy@dummy.nl> writes:

> I am working with
>         GNU Emacs 21.3.1 (i586-suse-linux, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of\
>           2004-12-17 on d71
>
> When I start Emacs with the fullscreen option, I get:

This option is new in emacs 22.

According to the news file that comes with the cvs version

** Emacs can now be invoked in full-screen mode on a windowed display.
When Emacs is invoked on a window system, the new command-line options
`--fullwidth', `--fullheight', and `--fullscreen' produce a frame
whose width, height, or both width and height take up the entire
screen size.  (For now, this does not work with some window managers.)

rdc
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Re: fullscreen does not work

[Cecil Westerhof]

Robert D. Crawford wrote:

> Cecil Westerhof <dummy@dummy.nl> writes:
> 
>> I am working with
>>         GNU Emacs 21.3.1 (i586-suse-linux, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars)
>>         of\
>>           2004-12-17 on d71
>>
>> When I start Emacs with the fullscreen option, I get:
> 
> This option is new in emacs 22.
> 
> According to the news file that comes with the cvs version

Okay, that explains it. I still have 21.3.1.
I see that 22 is in pretest. So I suppose I can better wait before I
upgrade.

Re: fullscreen does not work

[Cecil Westerhof]

Peter Dyballa wrote:
> Can you check with index-apropos whether your version supports this
> option? Then it should also support `--fullwidth' and `--fullheight' ...

I have 21.3.1 and you need 22 for this functionality.

Re: fullscreen does not work

[Robert D. Crawford]

Cecil Westerhof <dummy@dummy.nl> writes:

> Robert D. Crawford wrote:
>
>> This option is new in emacs 22.

> Okay, that explains it. I still have 21.3.1.
> I see that 22 is in pretest. So I suppose I can better wait before I
> upgrade.

Actually, if you are able to follow the directions on fetching and
building the cvs version you _could_ do that.  It is not difficult and I
have seen no bugs in what I use.  The official release is not long in
coming.  

However, if you only want fullscreen and have no other compelling reason
to upgrade, don't.  It would be _far_ easier to simply set the geometry
in .Xdefaults.  I have:

emacs.geometry: 100x38+0+0

for a 1024x768 screen using the font setting:

emacs*font: 10x20

which fills my screen.  For some reason, maybe it is because I am not
using a window manager or desktop environment, --fullscreen does not
work.  

rdc
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Re: fullscreen does not work

[Cecil Westerhof]

Robert D. Crawford wrote:

> Cecil Westerhof <dummy@dummy.nl> writes:
> 
>> Robert D. Crawford wrote:
>>
>>> This option is new in emacs 22.
> 
>> Okay, that explains it. I still have 21.3.1.
>> I see that 22 is in pretest. So I suppose I can better wait before I
>> upgrade.
> 
> Actually, if you are able to follow the directions on fetching and
> building the cvs version you _could_ do that.  It is not difficult and I
> have seen no bugs in what I use.  The official release is not long in
> coming.
> 
> However, if you only want fullscreen and have no other compelling reason
> to upgrade, don't.

I am just using Emacs for a week, so I do not think that I can not wait on
the new release. Especially when you say that it comes soon.
And to get it full screen I just give:
        <Alt>+<F3> x
So it is not a very big problem, more a little anouiance. ;-}


> It would be _far_ easier to simply set the geometry 
> in .Xdefaults.  I have:
> 
> emacs.geometry: 100x38+0+0
> 
> for a 1024x768 screen using the font setting:
> 
> emacs*font: 10x20

I tried this in ${HOME}/.Xdefaults, but this has no result.

Re: fullscreen does not work

[Torsten Mueller]

Cecil Westerhof <dummy@dummy.nl> schrieb:

> > > Okay, that explains it. I still have 21.3.1. I see that 22 is in
> > > pretest. So I suppose I can better wait before I upgrade.
>
> I am just using Emacs for a week, so I do not think that I can not
> wait on the new release. Especially when you say that it comes soon.

Does it? Emacs 22 is "in pretest" for 3 years now but it's still
beeing developped. I would not wait on it. You can work with an older
version if you don't miss any of the new features, but you can also
use a current CVS snapshot (22.0.98.1) and recompile it yourself like
me.

> And to get it full screen I just give: <Alt>+<F3> x So it is not a
> very big problem, more a little anouiance. ;-}

Try to use "-g AxB+C+D" command line parameter.

A is the desired width in characters,
B is the desired height in characters,
C is the x-offset of the topleft corner in pixels,
D is the y-offset of the topleft corner in pixels.

This should always work, even under Windows.

Another method is to have some Lisp statements at the end of your
.emacs like these:

	let (
		(maxcols 150)
		(maxrows 68)
	)
	(set-frame-position (selected-frame) 700 100)
	(set-frame-size     (selected-frame) maxcols maxrows)

This makes every emacs instance start on the same position with the
same size.

T.M.

Re: fullscreen does not work

[Robert D. Crawford]

Cecil Westerhof <dummy@dummy.nl> writes:

>> It would be _far_ easier to simply set the geometry 
>> in .Xdefaults.  I have:
>> 
>> emacs.geometry: 100x38+0+0
>> 
>> for a 1024x768 screen using the font setting:
>> 
>> emacs*font: 10x20
>
> I tried this in ${HOME}/.Xdefaults, but this has no result.

That is where it should go.  Did you log out and back in?  .Xdefaults
needs to be read by xrdb, which should be done when you log in.
Alternatively, you can run 

xrdb ~/.Xdefaults

and that should do the trick.

rdc
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Re: fullscreen does not work

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 20.04.2007 um 11:19 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:

>> It would be _far_ easier to simply set the geometry
>> in .Xdefaults.  I have:
>>
>> emacs.geometry: 100x38+0+0
>>
>> for a 1024x768 screen using the font setting:
>>
>> emacs*font: 10x20
>
> I tried this in ${HOME}/.Xdefaults, but this has no result.

Did you merge these values into the X resources database with xrdb?  
Or did you restart the X server? Then "no result" is the expected  
result ...

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Re: fullscreen does not work

[Cecil Westerhof]

Torsten Mueller wrote:

> Does it? Emacs 22 is "in pretest" for 3 years now but it's still
> beeing developped. I would not wait on it. You can work with an older
> version if you don't miss any of the new features, but you can also
> use a current CVS snapshot (22.0.98.1) and recompile it yourself like
> me.

That is what I understood. But I could get and make the latest in the near
future then.


>> And to get it full screen I just give: <Alt>+<F3> x So it is not a
>> very big problem, more a little anouiance. ;-}
> 
> Try to use "-g AxB+C+D" command line parameter.

I find 'emacs' and then '<Alt>+<F3> x' easier. ;-} But Emacs is smart. When
you use 200x100, it 'sees' it is to big and just use the available screen
space. :-D


> Another method is to have some Lisp statements at the end of your
> .emacs like these:
> 
> let (
> (maxcols 150)
> (maxrows 68)
> )
> (set-frame-position (selected-frame) 700 100)
> (set-frame-size     (selected-frame) maxcols maxrows)

I get unknown let. If I then do not use maxcols and maxrows but hard coded
values, I get unknown set-frame-size.

Re: fullscreen does not work

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Torsten Mueller <dev-null@shared-files.de>
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:43:01 +0200
> 
> > I am just using Emacs for a week, so I do not think that I can not
> > wait on the new release. Especially when you say that it comes soon.
> 
> Does it? Emacs 22 is "in pretest" for 3 years now but it's still
> beeing developped.

While it is true that Emacs 22 takes an exceedingly long time to
release, there's no need to exaggerate.  The first pretest of Emacs
22.1 was produced in last October, which is far from 3 years ago.

Re: fullscreen does not work

[Juanma Barranquero]

On 4/20/07, Torsten Mueller <dev-null@shared-files.de> wrote:

> Does it? Emacs 22 is "in pretest" for 3 years now

Not exactly. It's true that Emacs 22 has been in a semi-freeze for a
long while, but the pretest started exactly 175 days ago, on
2006-10-27. That's a bit less than six months.

> I would not wait on it.

However, it doesn't seem risky to say that it will likely be released soon.

             Juanma

Re: fullscreen does not work

[Cecil Westerhof]

Peter Dyballa wrote:

> 
> Am 20.04.2007 um 11:19 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:
> 
>>> It would be _far_ easier to simply set the geometry
>>> in .Xdefaults.  I have:
>>>
>>> emacs.geometry: 100x38+0+0
>>>
>>> for a 1024x768 screen using the font setting:
>>>
>>> emacs*font: 10x20
>>
>> I tried this in ${HOME}/.Xdefaults, but this has no result.
> 
> Did you merge these values into the X resources database with xrdb?
> Or did you restart the X server? Then "no result" is the expected
> result ...

No I did not. That explains it. I'll try that.

Re: fullscreen does not work

[Torsten Mueller]

Cecil Westerhof <dummy@dummy.nl> schrieb:

> I find 'emacs' and then '<Alt>+<F3> x' easier. ;-}

But what is '<Alt>+<F3> x'? On my machine it does just nothing.

> > Another method is to have some Lisp statements at the end of your
> > .emacs like these:
> >
> > let (
> > (maxcols 150)
> > (maxrows 68)
> > )
> > (set-frame-position (selected-frame) 700 100)
> > (set-frame-size     (selected-frame) maxcols maxrows)
>
> I get unknown let.

Sure. I forgot the outer brackets. (Perhaps I should use smome more
Lisp-like style of indenting ...)

        (let ( (maxcols 150) (maxrows 68) )
                (set-frame-position  (selected-frame) 700 100)
                (set-frame-size (selected-frame) maxcols maxrows) )

These outer brackets are significant.

> If I then do not use maxcols and maxrows but hard coded values, I
> get unknown set-frame-size.

Yes. Me too. But with these variables it will work.

T.M.

Re: fullscreen does not work

[Cecil Westerhof]

Cecil Westerhof wrote:

> Peter Dyballa wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Am 20.04.2007 um 11:19 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:
>> 
>>>> It would be _far_ easier to simply set the geometry
>>>> in .Xdefaults.  I have:
>>>>
>>>> emacs.geometry: 100x38+0+0
>>>>
>>>> for a 1024x768 screen using the font setting:
>>>>
>>>> emacs*font: 10x20
>>>
>>> I tried this in ${HOME}/.Xdefaults, but this has no result.
>> 
>> Did you merge these values into the X resources database with xrdb?
>> Or did you restart the X server? Then "no result" is the expected
>> result ...
> 
> No I did not. That explains it. I'll try that.

That works. :-D
Learned something. And offcourse I can use this with other programs
also. ;-}
What is also nice, is that my font is now a little bigger and the text is
easier to read.

Re: fullscreen does not work

[Cecil Westerhof]

Torsten Mueller wrote:

> Cecil Westerhof <dummy@dummy.nl> schrieb:
> 
>> I find 'emacs' and then '<Alt>+<F3> x' easier. ;-}

Sorry, I am sometimes a little to terse.
I work with KDE under Linux. With <Alt>+<F3> you get the window menu from
the current application. With x you toggle full screen.

> Sure. I forgot the outer brackets. (Perhaps I should use smome more
> Lisp-like style of indenting ...)
> 
>         (let ( (maxcols 150) (maxrows 68) )
>                 (set-frame-position  (selected-frame) 700 100)
>                 (set-frame-size (selected-frame) maxcols maxrows) )
> 
> These outer brackets are significant.
> 
>> If I then do not use maxcols and maxrows but hard coded values, I
>> get unknown set-frame-size.
> 
> Yes. Me too. But with these variables it will work.

I use .Xdefaults now. Works like a charm.
Thanks anyway.

Re: fullscreen does not work

[Torsten Mueller]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> schrieb:

> > > I am just using Emacs for a week, so I do not think that I can
> > > not wait on the new release. Especially when you say that it
> > > comes soon.
> >
> > Does it? Emacs 22 is "in pretest" for 3 years now but it's still
> > beeing developped.
>
> While it is true that Emacs 22 takes an exceedingly long time to
> release, there's no need to exaggerate. The first pretest of Emacs
> 22.1 was produced in last October, which is far from 3 years ago.

Yes. I didn't notice that "pretest" is a determined stage of emacs
development.

T.M.