From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `customize-customized' and mode variable of a minor mode Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:43:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4616BF1B.30004@gmail.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175901593 17752 80.91.229.12 (6 Apr 2007 23:19:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 07 01:19:09 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HZwDt-00048y-2b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:43:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZwHP-0006m8-Br for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:47:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZwHM-0006iu-9y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:47:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZwHK-0006fn-KS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:47:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZwHK-0006fa-HH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:47:30 -0400 Original-Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.149.212]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HZwDn-0001jS-EK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:43:51 -0400 Original-Received: from c83-254-145-24.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.145.24]:63039 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HZwDl-0006jz-48; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:43:50 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.10) Gecko/20070221 Thunderbird/1.5.0.10 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000731-0, 2007-04-06), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1HZwDl-0006jz-48. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1HZwDl-0006jz-48 014edee070268f6358066a0d84bc1edb X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:69147 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: >>> Toggling a mode changes the value of the mode variable. Why would a user >>> want to save that new value? You might toggle a (global) minor >>> mode several times during an Emacs session. Turning the mode on and >>> off doesn't imply that you want to change the saved value. I don't see >>> a use case for that. >> If the global minor mode is at the state currently saved by Custom it >> will not show up in customize-customized. > > True, and if it happens to be in the opposite state, then it will show up. > >> I often put toggling of global minor modes in the menus. > > So do I. > >> It seems conventient to me to be able to save the state of those >> minor modes through customize-customized then. > > I can see the use case you describe. I guess it depends on the use pattern > and the nature of the global minor mode. At least some mode toggling is not > tentative configuring, and at least some people might not want some mode > changes to be candidates for saving. > > There may be no good way to satisfy all use scenarios and user preferences > for this. Another user option perhaps? I think that is the way out if it is needed.