From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#2608: 23.0.90; `w32-use-visible-system-carat' should be a defcustom Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:47:34 -0700 Message-ID: <45CEE162BB3345B4B3E0F9C6DF797ED5@us.oracle.com> References: <005f01c9a084$114a0280$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com><49B67E35.4070201@gnu.org> <00a301c9a191$0c5fe1f0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Drew Adams , 2608@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243213790 10287 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2009 01:09:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 01:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Tomas Valusek' To: <2608@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>, "'Jason Rumney'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 03:09:42 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8OhC-0006V6-8w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 03:09:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57864 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8OhB-0001Ex-MG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:09:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Ogu-0000uy-8h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:09:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Ogp-0000oC-AE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:09:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59566 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8Ogo-0000o6-W4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:09:19 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:58703) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8Ogo-0001nM-9j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 21:09:18 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n4P19BK3006720; Sun, 24 May 2009 18:09:12 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4P0t6HO003642; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:55:06 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:55:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 2608 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 2608-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B2608.12432124612483 (code B ref 2608); Mon, 25 May 2009 00:55:06 +0000 Original-Received: (at 2608) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 May 2009 00:47:41 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com (acsinet12.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n4P0laYm002476 for <2608@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:47:37 -0700 Original-Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4P0lD9f008219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 May 2009 00:47:15 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt008.oracle.com (abhmt008.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n4P0lU9U015965; Mon, 25 May 2009 00:47:31 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/98.210.250.59) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 24 May 2009 17:47:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <00a301c9a191$0c5fe1f0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Thread-Index: Acmhj7ET0fNnxkwISgGEex4UTal/TwAAIdaQDs5w0SA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: abhmt008.oracle.com [141.146.116.17] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010204.4A19EA9F.012D:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:09:23 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:28124 Archived-At: > > From: Jason Rumney Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:50 AM > > > A visually impaired new Emacs user just asked a question > > > about this variable on help-emacs-windows@gnu.org. I had > > > never heard of this variable. I see now that it is a > > > defvar, even though it seems to be > > > documented as a user "flag". Seems like it should be a defcustom. > > > > > > > It was originally intended as a user option, but code was added to > > automatically set it according to whether screen reading > > software is in use. So it should just do the right thing. > > Documentation probably needs updating to reflect that, and the > > fact that it is only useful for screen reading software, as the > > user seems to have gotten the idea that it might help them even > > though they don't use such software - in fact Emacs > > drawn cursors are far more useful, as they can be configured > > to be more or less visible as the user requires. > > I see. Yes, I think clarifying this in the doc would help. > And perhaps add a > link to a manual section about customizing the cursor, for > people such as the OP > who don't use screenreaders. > > Beyond this bug fix, perhaps it would be useful to add a > top-level Emacs-manual > section about Accessibility (aka help for the disabled) with > links to pertinent > sections of the manual that might be of special help. > > CC'ing the OP. I don't see this as fixed in 23.0.94.1. I'm looking at both the doc string and the Emacs manual section about this variable.