From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: National Language Support Functions Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:48:43 +0100 Message-ID: <45958D3B.4060207@gmail.com> References: <458AB581.7090303@student.lu.se> <4593C0B1.8060406@gmail.com> <4594EE89.6090403@gnu.org> <459536C5.4090503@gmail.com> <45957190.9030801@student.lu.se> <45957F23.8040409@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167428959 18014 80.91.229.10 (29 Dec 2006 21:49:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 21:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 29 22:49:16 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H0Pb9-0001Tv-SI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:49:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0Pb9-0001i2-5d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:49:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H0Paq-0001fF-GN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:48:48 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H0Pao-0001di-6C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:48:47 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0Pan-0001dL-J3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:48:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [80.76.149.212] (helo=ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1H0Pam-0007R1-PR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:48:45 -0500 Original-Received: from c83-254-145-24.bredband.comhem.se ([83.254.145.24]:61519 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1H0Pak-000256-4i; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:48:43 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) Original-To: Juanma Barranquero In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0665-0, 2006-12-29), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1H0Pak-000256-4i. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1H0Pak-000256-4i 8d756ac6b491ed8c6172383d7730bee1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:64445 Archived-At: Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On 12/29/06, Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > >> - But on the other hand I have noticed >> that most users dowloading from my site prefer the patched version. > > That is not saying much, IMO. If you put package X on a site, and Y, > described as "X with all bells and whistles for Windows", is not hard > to see why people would download Y even before knowing whether X is > good enough for them. That is not really what I do with the patches. I try to describe in full enough details for everyone to decide for themselves: http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html#unpatched > Most users of Emacs are programmers; a pointer to the place to > download the tools would surely be enough. But that's not what I was > talking about. There's no need to patch Emacs for that. Actually I was looking for a good tool writing web pages too when I started using Emacs. I was so tired of all different tools with their different shortcomings, time to learn, time to install etc. I had an idea: maybe Emacs could be made to a powerful enough tool for web pages so that non programmers can use it too? Installation, friendliness of the GUI etc. That is still what I am trying to do. On my way I stumble on a lot of things in Emacs. That is not very bad. That was what I wanted to test. BTW, after the release I hope we can include nxml-mode. It is very powerful, well written -- and hard to understand code. I wonder if rng can be used further in Emacs. I do not know the limitations of such approaches, but with a language like XML it seems very good. I thought about using it for CSS but gave up. I did not understand the structure of the code or potential syntax problems well enough to fight it.