From: Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: don't show the $-bar that indicates text before and/or after the window view, horizontally
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:06:54 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45906ab3-98b0-4277-b18d-d14cd3efad45@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1772.1374774190.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
On Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:13:35 PM UTC+5:30, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 03:34:41 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Rustom Mody
> >
> > Ok Eli spoke more roughly/rudely than necessary.
>
> I don't understand why you say that. There was nothing rude or
> "rough" in what I wrote, not a single rude or offensive word.
In human communication there are two orthogonal dimensions:
- the factual/predicative line
- the emotive rapport/empathy line
As for the first, whatever you say is true. And it is more or less what I said.
As for the second if you read your last parenthetical note, you will hopefully see that the 'even' packs rather a hard punch.
No dont get me wrong -- if you feel it necessary to pack that punch, thats ok.
In any case I am the guy who 'pulls rank' :-). In my book thats not abusive nor complimentary, just facts of how civilized life runs.
On this list this means that guys like you, Juanma etc are the givers, guys like Emanuel,me* are the receivers. This has two sides:
1. You know the stuff, we generally dont
2. You make the stuff, we (mostly thanklessly) use it.
So if that means that you say "Piss off!" to someone, you are entitled and that someone should lump it.
Well so much for the micro/individual level.
At the macro level, emacs needs Emanuel (and a few hundred more such) more than the Emanuel^100 need emacs**. Keeping that in mind, just consider this a humble*** request to handle over-sensitive noobs with kid-gloves.
* Yeah the irony of how Emanuel sees the ganging up!!
** And the double irony. Being an old-fart-user myself I fall neatly between two stools -- Neither a dev nor an enthu kid.
*** Yeah! I pull rank at every point :-)
> I gave a comprehensive answer to the OP's questions. I then
> suggested, given his apparent lack of knowledge about the stuff being
> discussed, to read about that in the manuals. Since not knowing
> something is not something one should be ashamed of,
Yeah that certainly seems to be the problem here: "unskilled" is being heard as an abuse.
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To Emanuel: My apologies for anything that I said which caused hurt.
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Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-07-23 18:13 don't show the $-bar that indicates text before and/or after the window view, horizontally Emanuel Berg
2013-07-24 1:49 ` Michael Heerdegen
[not found] ` <mailman.1674.1374630606.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-24 17:10 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-24 17:16 ` Damien Wyart
2013-07-24 17:32 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-24 17:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.1719.1374695805.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-24 21:13 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-24 23:35 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <mailman.1726.1374708932.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-25 0:58 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 2:14 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
[not found] ` <<8338r3x2ta.fsf@gnu.org>
2013-07-24 19:56 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <mailman.1716.1374688401.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-24 21:06 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-24 21:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
[not found] ` <mailman.1723.1374701789.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-24 22:58 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-24 23:22 ` Juanma Barranquero
[not found] ` <mailman.1725.1374708201.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-24 23:26 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 5:09 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-25 7:52 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 7:59 ` Juanma Barranquero
[not found] ` <mailman.1736.1374739225.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-25 8:04 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 8:12 ` Juanma Barranquero
[not found] ` <mailman.1739.1374739991.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-25 9:06 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 9:40 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-25 10:47 ` Juanma Barranquero
[not found] ` <mailman.1747.1374749300.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-25 17:06 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 10:34 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-25 10:55 ` Jambunathan K
[not found] ` <mailman.1748.1374749649.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-25 12:07 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-25 17:13 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-25 16:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 18:20 ` Jambunathan K
[not found] ` <mailman.1773.1374776354.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-25 18:33 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 19:04 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-26 13:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 12:30 ` Chris Van Dusen
[not found] ` <mailman.1840.1374845680.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-26 16:50 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-26 17:01 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <mailman.1867.1374858127.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-26 17:12 ` Rustom Mody
[not found] ` <mailman.1771.1374770675.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-25 17:23 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 17:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.1772.1374774190.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-25 18:02 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.1776.1374777727.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-25 18:49 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 19:16 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-25 21:50 ` Bob Proulx
2013-07-25 18:06 ` Rustom Mody [this message]
2013-07-25 18:25 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 18:46 ` Jambunathan K
[not found] ` <mailman.1777.1374777912.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-25 18:53 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 19:33 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-25 18:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.1778.1374778124.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-25 18:55 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-25 21:51 ` broken thread (was: don't show the $-bar that...) Nicolas Richard
2013-07-25 11:40 ` don't show the $-bar that indicates text before and/or after the window view, horizontally Jambunathan K
[not found] ` <mailman.1752.1374752366.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-25 17:36 ` Emanuel Berg
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