Re: Auctex

Re: Auctex

[Ralf Angeli]

* moheb@cybermesa.com (2006-09-15) writes:

> I noticed significant delay in keyboard repeat say with the space key while 
>  typing in emacs. I think this is a problem with Auctex. Anyone has the same 
>  experience? Any workaround?

Are there unmatched quotation marks or math switches in the document?
Does it get better if you disable font locking?

-- 
Ralf

Auctex

[moheb]

Hi,

I noticed significant delay in keyboard repeat say with the space key while 
 typing in emacs. I think this is a problem with Auctex. Anyone has the same 
 experience? Any workaround?

Thanks, 

Moheb

turn off safe-local-variable-values checking

[Shug Boabby]

As i'm sure you all know: the security procedures for local variables
were recently beefed up. Now, if a user ever wishes to store local
variables in a file, they must manually accept each variable on
opening (or store them in .emacs).

This actually really bugs me, and I'd really rather live with the
security risk... is there a way to turn this behaviour off by default
for all files? I cannot find any documentation on the new feature and
an Emacs Wiki search for the above mentioned variable gives me 1248
results.

Apologies if you think this is to the wrong list, my understanding is
that emacs.help is really only for officially released versions of
emacs.

Re: turn off safe-local-variable-values checking

[Stefan Monnier]

> As i'm sure you all know: the security procedures for local variables
> were recently beefed up.  Now, if a user ever wishes to store local
> variables in a file, they must manually accept each variable on
> opening (or store them in .emacs).

Right, they should not only add those vars's values in the corresponding
files, but also add them in their .emacs to safe-local-variable-values.
I don't see why it should be such a big deal.

Can you provide a scenario where it's really bothersome?


        Stefan

Re: turn off safe-local-variable-values checking

[Shug Boabby]

On 31/03/06, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
> Can you provide a scenario where it's really bothersome?

oh... try opening up each section file of your thesis (each file
containing 3 or 4 AUCTeX variables), across several computers, and
getting that bloody box pop up and ask 4X questions!! (where X are the
number of files i have in desktop save)

Re: turn off safe-local-variable-values checking

[Dan Nicolaescu]

"Shug Boabby" <shug.boabby@gmail.com> writes:

  > On 31/03/06, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
  > > Can you provide a scenario where it's really bothersome?
  > 
  > oh... try opening up each section file of your thesis (each file
  > containing 3 or 4 AUCTeX variables), across several computers, and
  > getting that bloody box pop up and ask 4X questions!! (where X are the
  > number of files i have in desktop save)

Try a newer versions of AUCTeX, the warning is disabled by default. I
am not sure what version started doing that, I use the CVS.

Yeah, it would be great if AUCTeX was integrated in emacs, so you
won't need to install it separately... 

Re: turn off safe-local-variable-values checking

[David Kastrup]

Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:

> "Shug Boabby" <shug.boabby@gmail.com> writes:
>
>   > On 31/03/06, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>   > > Can you provide a scenario where it's really bothersome?
>   > 
>   > oh... try opening up each section file of your thesis (each file
>   > containing 3 or 4 AUCTeX variables), across several computers, and
>   > getting that bloody box pop up and ask 4X questions!! (where X are the
>   > number of files i have in desktop save)
>
> Try a newer versions of AUCTeX, the warning is disabled by
> default. I am not sure what version started doing that, I use the
> CVS.
>
> Yeah, it would be great if AUCTeX was integrated in emacs, so you
> won't need to install it separately...

It is still missing copyright assignments for that.  If somebody would
volunteer to invest more time than I currently manage for hunting
people down and asking them, this would be appreciated.  Don't hold
your breath for this to finish, but it is something that deserves
better progress than I have made so far.

Also I am not sure that the release schedule of Emacs and AUCTeX are
really compatible: not everybody using AUCTeX takes his Emacs fresh
from CVS.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: turn off safe-local-variable-values checking

[Dan Nicolaescu]

David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:

  > Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:
  > 
  > > "Shug Boabby" <shug.boabby@gmail.com> writes:
  > >
  > >   > On 31/03/06, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
  > >   > > Can you provide a scenario where it's really bothersome?
  > >   > 
  > >   > oh... try opening up each section file of your thesis (each file
  > >   > containing 3 or 4 AUCTeX variables), across several computers, and
  > >   > getting that bloody box pop up and ask 4X questions!! (where X are the
  > >   > number of files i have in desktop save)
  > >
  > > Try a newer versions of AUCTeX, the warning is disabled by
  > > default. I am not sure what version started doing that, I use the
  > > CVS.
  > >
  > > Yeah, it would be great if AUCTeX was integrated in emacs, so you
  > > won't need to install it separately...
  > 
  > It is still missing copyright assignments for that.  If somebody would
  > volunteer to invest more time than I currently manage for hunting
  > people down and asking them, this would be appreciated.  Don't hold
  > your breath for this to finish, but it is something that deserves
  > better progress than I have made so far.

Hopefully someone can help you with the copyrights, maybe posting a
message about this would help.
Can you say what the status is right now?
Is the core OK ? (meaning the latex.el, tex*.el files)
The style/* files are not that crucial, and they could be
reimplemented if needed.


  > Also I am not sure that the release schedule of Emacs and AUCTeX are
  > really compatible: not everybody using AUCTeX takes his Emacs fresh
  > from CVS.

True, but the main problem that I have seen is that a lot of emacs
users not even aware that AUCTeX exists...
WRT the release schedule, cc-mode and gnus seem to manage separate
releases and being integrated...

Re: turn off safe-local-variable-values checking

[David Kastrup]

Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:

> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>
>   > Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:
>   > 
>   > > Yeah, it would be great if AUCTeX was integrated in emacs, so you
>   > > won't need to install it separately...
>   > 
>   > It is still missing copyright assignments for that.  If somebody would
>   > volunteer to invest more time than I currently manage for hunting
>   > people down and asking them, this would be appreciated.  Don't hold
>   > your breath for this to finish, but it is something that deserves
>   > better progress than I have made so far.
>
> Hopefully someone can help you with the copyrights, maybe posting a
> message about this would help.
> Can you say what the status is right now?

The three most fundamental contributors (who have been maintainers at
one time) have all agreed to a copyright assignment, but I've only
secured two: the third does not appear to respond to Email.

> Is the core OK ? (meaning the latex.el, tex*.el files)

Definitely not.  Even when the fundamental contributors will be
secured, there will be dozens of other people who should be rounded
up.  Most of their contributions could be replaced, however, should
the need arise.

> The style/* files are not that crucial, and they could be
> reimplemented if needed.

Possibly.  The newer style files have mostly been done by people with
assignments: we don't accept new contributions without one.

>   > Also I am not sure that the release schedule of Emacs and AUCTeX
>   > are really compatible: not everybody using AUCTeX takes his
>   > Emacs fresh from CVS.
>
> True, but the main problem that I have seen is that a lot of emacs
> users not even aware that AUCTeX exists...

I think the coverage among readers of comp.text.tex is pretty good.
We are also making it reasonably easy for system administrators to
have AUCTeX active by default on their, while individual users can
easily customize it off again for some or all TeX-related modes if
they really want to.  This also helps: most people accept the site
defaults, and having an AUCTeX that can be turned off again (for the
sake of Emacs' default modes) makes activation by default a reasonable
site policy.

> WRT the release schedule, cc-mode and gnus seem to manage separate
> releases and being integrated...

Somewhat.  But it leads to people using old gnus.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

AUCTex (was: turn off safe-local-variable-values checking)

[Dan Nicolaescu]

David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:

  > Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:
  > 
  > > David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
  > >
  > >   > Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:

  > > True, but the main problem that I have seen is that a lot of emacs
  > > users not even aware that AUCTeX exists...
  > 
  > I think the coverage among readers of comp.text.tex is pretty good.

That might be true, but readers of comp.text.tex are a small minority
(and probably the most technically astute one) among  TeX users. Well,
sadly newsgroup readers are a small minority in general nowadays. So I
think my original point still stands. 

  > We are also making it reasonably easy for system administrators to
  > have AUCTeX active by default on their, while individual users can
  > easily customize it off again for some or all TeX-related modes if
  > they really want to.  This also helps: most people accept the site
  > defaults, and having an AUCTeX that can be turned off again (for the
  > sake of Emacs' default modes) makes activation by default a reasonable
  > site policy.

That is nice. Unfortunately of the 6 sites that I personally know
about, none has AUCTeX installed :-(

Anyway, the main question is: Do AUCTeX maintainers want to integrate
it in Emacs anytime soon? (Or at all?)

IMHO having AUCTeX integrated would be beneficial to both AUCTeX as it
would reach a wider audience, and also to Emacs as it would help users
better manage their tex documents.

I am sure that if there's a strong desire to integrate AUCTeX, you
will get some help.

Thanks

        --dan

Re: AUCTex

[David Kastrup]

Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:

> Anyway, the main question is: Do AUCTeX maintainers want to
> integrate it in Emacs anytime soon? (Or at all?)

I answered that question already in the previous post, but you snipped
the reply.  AUCTeX is not going to be integrated into Emacs anytime
soon due to outstanding copyright assignments, and the process of
collecting them is progressing rather slowly.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: AUCTex

[Dan Nicolaescu]

David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:

  > Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:
  > 
  > > Anyway, the main question is: Do AUCTeX maintainers want to
  > > integrate it in Emacs anytime soon? (Or at all?)
  > 
  > I answered that question already in the previous post, but you snipped
  > the reply.  AUCTeX is not going to be integrated into Emacs anytime
  > soon due to outstanding copyright assignments, and the process of
  > collecting them is progressing rather slowly.

So what is the way forward for this? 
What can be done to improve the situation? 

Would distributing AUCTeX like leim was distributed in previous emacs
versions help? (i.e. leim distributed separately, but it could be
unpacked in the emacs source tree and compiled and installed
together). Just an idea...

Re: AUCTex

[David Kastrup]

Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:

> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>
>   > Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:
>   > 
>   > > Anyway, the main question is: Do AUCTeX maintainers want to
>   > > integrate it in Emacs anytime soon? (Or at all?)
>   > 
>   > I answered that question already in the previous post, but you snipped
>   > the reply.  AUCTeX is not going to be integrated into Emacs anytime
>   > soon due to outstanding copyright assignments, and the process of
>   > collecting them is progressing rather slowly.
>
> So what is the way forward for this? 
> What can be done to improve the situation?

Basically collecting assignments.

> Would distributing AUCTeX like leim was distributed in previous
> emacs versions help? (i.e. leim distributed separately, but it could
> be unpacked in the emacs source tree and compiled and installed
> together). Just an idea...

AUCTeX is a separate project and works with a variety of Emacsen.  It
is also released more often than every 5 years or so.  I don't think
that at the current point of time there is much room for improvement.
It might be possible to create a tarball for dropping into an Emacs
tree before compiling and autoload generation (which is somewhat
similar to what we do to create an XEmacs package).  But I don't see
it change the situation much.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

AUCTeX

[David Rasmussen]

How do I check if AUCTeX is already installed in my emacs?

/David

Re: AUCTeX

[Roodwriter]

David Rasmussen wrote:

> How do I check if AUCTeX is already installed in my emacs?
> 
> /David


Why not just type M-x latex-mode and see if you get it? The modeline will 
say latex and your menu bar will change.

--Rod

__________

Author of "Linux for Non-Geeks--Clear-eyed Answered for Practical Consumers" 
and "Boring Stories from Uncle Rod." Both are available at 
http://www.rodwriterpublishing.com/index.html

To reply by e-mail, take the extra "o" out of the name.

Re: AUCTeX

[David Rasmussen]

Roodwriter@core.com wrote:
> 
> Why not just type M-x latex-mode and see if you get it? The modeline will 
> say latex and your menu bar will change.
> 

Because I am a total beginner, and know nothing about emacs and AUCTeX? :)

I got the LaTeX-mode, but how can I be sure that this is AUCTeX? Aren't 
there other LaTeX-modes available?

/David

Re: AUCTeX

[David Kastrup]

David Rasmussen <david.rasmussen@gmx.net> writes:

> How do I check if AUCTeX is already installed in my emacs?

When opening a TeX file, you have a "Command" menu.  If not, try
M-: (require 'tex-site) RET
in a fresh Emacs, and then check
C-h v AUC-TeX-version RET

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: AUCTeX

[David Rasmussen]

David Kastrup wrote:
> 
> When opening a TeX file, you have a "Command" menu. 

I have a TeX-menu?

> If not, try
> M-: (require 'tex-site) RET

Gives errors.

> in a fresh Emacs, and then check
> C-h v AUC-TeX-version RET
> 

Gives errors too. The AUC-TeX-version variable isn't defined. So I am 
not running AUCTeX, or what? But what mode am I running then? I _does_ 
say (LaTeX Fill) in the modeline, and there is a TeX-menu.

/David

Re: AUCTeX

[David Kastrup]

David Rasmussen <david.rasmussen@gmx.net> writes:

> David Kastrup wrote:
> > When opening a TeX file, you have a "Command" menu. 
> 
> I have a TeX-menu?
> 
> > If not, try
> > M-: (require 'tex-site) RET
> 
> Gives errors.
> 
> > in a fresh Emacs, and then check
> > C-h v AUC-TeX-version RET
> > 
> 
> Gives errors too. The AUC-TeX-version variable isn't defined. So I am
> not running AUCTeX, or what? But what mode am I running then? I _does_
> say (LaTeX Fill) in the modeline, and there is a TeX-menu.

AUCTeX is a very much enhanced LaTeX mode.  It is not bundled with
Emacs, and even in XEmacs (where typically older versions of it are
bundled), you have to explicitly activate it.

Everybody will tell you "you want to use AUCTeX" when you are writing
LaTeX code.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

RE: AucTeX

[Dmitri.Minaev]

There's also Whizzytex+advi combination
(http://pauillac.inria.fr/whizzytex/) which Arthur could find useful. It
re-compiles the dvi automatically as you type. No need to switch focus to
and fro.

--
With best regards,
Dmitri Minaev


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kester Clegg [mailto:kester@cs.york.ac.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:49 PM
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: AucTeX
> 
> 
> "arthur.chereau" <arthur.chereau@voila.fr> writes:
> 
> > First, I'd like to keep the xdvi window always opened, that is:
> > - the first time I compile the source from emacs, emacs 
> opens an xdvi window
> >   with the corresponding dvi
> > - I don't need to close xdvi to recompile
> > - when I recompile with auctex, xdvi updates the dvi
> 
> 
> xdvi should update as soon as you switch focus to it after compiling.
> You shouldn't need to change the default settings.  You 
> compile with C-c
> C-c once, do it again and you get the option to view.  After that, you
> can just compile and xdvi will update of its own accord.
> 
> 
> -- 
> **************************************************************
> **********
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> Research Assistant (UTC)		University of York, 
> Tel (01904) 43 27 49			email: kester at cs.york.ac.uk
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Re: AucTeX

[Stein A. Stromme]

[arthur chereau]

| Hi,
| 
| With auctex, I'd like to keep an xdvi window showing the dvi corresponding to
| the current emacs buffer.
| 
| For now, with (list "View" "%v " 'TeX-run-command nil t) in tex-site.el,
| I can run xdvi from emacs, but then I need to close xdvi if I want to lauch
| another compilation.
| 
| First, I'd like to keep the xdvi window always opened, that is:
| - the first time I compile the source from emacs, emacs opens an xdvi window
|   with the corresponding dvi
| - I don't need to close xdvi to recompile
| - when I recompile with auctex, xdvi updates the dvi

This is how things work for me, using the default out-of-the-box
configuration of auctex.  I just need to click in the xdvi window in
order to update it (which is a little annyoing, I agree).

| Now, I'd like the dvi shown by xdvi to always correspond to the emacs buffer:
| - I compile a (La)TeX file as shown above; an xdvi window is opened
| - I open another (La)TeX file in emacs
| - when I compile it, xdvi automatically shows the dvi corresponding to the
|   new emacs buffer

Why not have two xdvi windows instead?

Stein
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Re: AucTeX

[Kester Clegg]

"arthur.chereau" <arthur.chereau@voila.fr> writes:

> First, I'd like to keep the xdvi window always opened, that is:
> - the first time I compile the source from emacs, emacs opens an xdvi window
>   with the corresponding dvi
> - I don't need to close xdvi to recompile
> - when I recompile with auctex, xdvi updates the dvi


xdvi should update as soon as you switch focus to it after compiling.
You shouldn't need to change the default settings.  You compile with C-c
C-c once, do it again and you get the option to view.  After that, you
can just compile and xdvi will update of its own accord.


-- 
************************************************************************
Kester Clegg				Dept. of Computer Science,
Research Assistant (UTC)		University of York, 
Tel (01904) 43 27 49			email: kester at cs.york.ac.uk
************************************************************************

Re: AucTeX

[Maarten Bergvelt]

In article <mailman.1037966837.10921.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
arthur.chereau wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> With auctex, I'd like to keep an xdvi window showing the dvi
> corresponding to the current emacs buffer.
> 
> For now, with (list "View" "%v " 'TeX-run-command nil t) in
> tex-site.el, I can run xdvi from emacs, but then I need to close
> xdvi if I want to lauch another compilation.

I have 
 (list "View" "xdvi -geometry 1010x690+0+0 -s 2 %s "
              'TeX-run-background t nil)

I think the TeX-run-background keeps it from asking if you want to
close it.

I put the xdvi window on another desktop and switch desktops between
emacs and xdvi. Works for me.

--
Maarten Bergvelt

Re: AucTeX

[Kai Großjohann]

"arthur.chereau" <arthur.chereau@voila.fr> writes:

> For now, with (list "View" "%v " 'TeX-run-command nil t) in tex-site.el,
> I can run xdvi from emacs, but then I need to close xdvi if I want to lauch
> another compilation.

The default entry appears to be

 ("View" "%v " TeX-run-silent t nil)

which works fine for me.

kai
-- 
~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn    (Frank Nobis)

Re: AucTeX

[arthur.chereau]

> | First, I'd like to keep the xdvi window always opened, that is:
> | - the first time I compile the source from emacs, emacs opens an xdvi window
> |   with the corresponding dvi
> | - I don't need to close xdvi to recompile
> | - when I recompile with auctex, xdvi updates the dvi
>
> This is how things work for me, using the default out-of-the-box
> configuration of auctex.  I just need to click in the xdvi window in
> order to update it (which is a little annyoing, I agree).

Here's what I do:
- open the file
- C-c C-c      --> LaTeX
- C-c C-c      --> View (xdvi starts)
- modify the file and save it
- C-c C-c      --> LaTeX

Now I have:
Process `View' for document `test' running, kill it? (y or n) n
TeX-process-check: Cannot have two processes for the same document

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AucTeX

[arthur.chereau]

Hi,

With auctex, I'd like to keep an xdvi window showing the dvi corresponding to
the current emacs buffer.

For now, with (list "View" "%v " 'TeX-run-command nil t) in tex-site.el,
I can run xdvi from emacs, but then I need to close xdvi if I want to lauch
another compilation.

First, I'd like to keep the xdvi window always opened, that is:
- the first time I compile the source from emacs, emacs opens an xdvi window
  with the corresponding dvi
- I don't need to close xdvi to recompile
- when I recompile with auctex, xdvi updates the dvi

Now, I'd like the dvi shown by xdvi to always correspond to the emacs buffer:
- I compile a (La)TeX file as shown above; an xdvi window is opened
- I open another (La)TeX file in emacs
- when I compile it, xdvi automatically shows the dvi corresponding to the
  new emacs buffer

------------------------------------------

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