From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman.073@student.lu.se>
Cc: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>, Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Why are <next> and <prior> not called <page down> and <page up>?
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:08:55 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44F7C067.2070607@student.lu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvirk88hpn.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Thanks, but then we are talking about different levels. You refer to
>> a technical level. I am more interested in what the user sees, the
>> physical keyboard. I think it is easier to understand and remember for
>> users if we refer to the physical keyboard. This is also very
>> standard today.
>>
>
> But here you're bumping into a core design guideline of Emacs, which is to
> make things as transparent as possible: the internal names are generally
> both used internally (of course) and made visible to the end user.
> So changing the end user side will have impacts on the internal side as
> well, so it can't be changed as easily as you may think.
>
> Whether that's good or bad is up to you, but it's a bit late to change it,
>
The principle to have things as transparent as possible is a good one,
but so is to use understandable names for end users.
What is needed is a translation from the internal symbol names to
physical keyboard key names in `single-key-description'. Such a
translation should of course be possible to turn off.
Do you think this is a very big change? Does it disturb the transparency
very much?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-09-01 5:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-08-31 15:57 Why are <next> and <prior> not called <page down> and <page up>? Lennart Borgman
2006-08-31 16:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-08-31 17:09 ` Jason Rumney
2006-08-31 18:55 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-31 20:34 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-31 20:45 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-31 21:10 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-31 21:31 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-31 22:00 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-31 22:19 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-09-01 2:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-09-01 5:08 ` Lennart Borgman [this message]
2006-09-01 6:29 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-09-01 17:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-09-01 0:47 ` David Abrahams
2006-09-01 9:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-09-01 21:57 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-09-01 22:31 ` Drew Adams
2006-09-02 7:05 ` David Kastrup
2006-09-02 7:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-09-02 13:46 ` Drew Adams
2006-09-03 14:53 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-09-03 15:49 ` Drew Adams
2006-09-02 21:49 ` Jason Rumney
2006-09-03 14:52 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-09-05 20:06 ` Kevin Rodgers
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