From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why are and not called and ? Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:45:08 +0200 Message-ID: <44F74A54.3070409@student.lu.se> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1157057153 23931 80.91.229.2 (31 Aug 2006 20:45:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 31 22:45:43 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GItPy-0006zb-AB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:45:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GItPx-0003Xn-Rv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:45:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GItPm-0003WU-ET for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:45:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GItPl-0003Vx-Jz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:45:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GItPl-0003Vu-HF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:45:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.8.164] (helo=pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GItZS-0006ai-JB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:55:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.218.244) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44F2F2F700124E9A; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:45:08 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) Original-To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:59178 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > >>> Why does not key-description use the names and > >>> ? > ... > I suggest changing them at once. 14 years is a long wait. I think > changing this makes it much easier for new users. > > Would it be terribly difficult to try to change it in the documentation? > > Sorry to disagree, but I don't think this is a good idea. I share the desire > to make things more user-friendly, and I agree that it would be good to > somehow indicate that the keys involved might be labeled Page Up and Page > Down (or PgUp and PgDn or...) on your keyboard, but and are > standard names, which means that users can find things out about them (e.g. > Google). > Why should we discuss if we do not disagree?;-) Are you seriously saying that it is more simple to find something about the usage of these keys if you use "next" than "page down"? What is the context of the search then? I think most users do not know at all that "page down" is sometimes called "next". Are those searches very technical? Would it not suffice then to point out in the manual that those keys are often called "next" etc? But for the beginners I think we should label then "page down"/pgdn or something similar. I remember I had trouble to understand what "next" etc was when I started using Emacs. Were they internal names for something etc?