From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why are and not called and ? Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:55:57 +0200 Message-ID: <44F730BD.9000403@student.lu.se> References: <44F706DF.2010201@student.lu.se> <44F717D6.2010604@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1157050604 603 80.91.229.2 (31 Aug 2006 18:56:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Stefan Monnier , Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 31 20:56:42 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIri8-0007Ho-Ih for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:56:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIri8-0001FJ-6e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:56:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GIrhw-0001Dd-G7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:56:08 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GIrhu-0001BG-Px for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:56:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIrhu-0001Aw-Hu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:56:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.8.83] (helo=pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIrrY-0005p3-7B; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:06:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.218.244) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44F471DC000B5EB6; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:56:03 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) Original-To: Jason Rumney In-Reply-To: <44F717D6.2010604@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:59176 Archived-At: Jason Rumney wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> Why does not key-description use the names and ? >>> >> >> 'Cause X11 calls them `prior' and `next'? >> > As does MS Windows at the API level, but these messages are intended > for end users, not programmers, so it is better to follow how the keys > are labelled on the majority of modern keyboards than the names used > in the header files. > > Personally, the last time I saw these keys labelled Next and Prior was > in 1992. Since then, every keyboard I have used has labelled them Page > Up/Page Down or PgUp/PgDn or some other abbreviation. > > But I wouldn't suggest changing this until after the release, as it > probably affects lots of documentation, even if we keep the old names > as aliases for backwards compatibility. I suggest changing them at once. 14 years is a long wait. I think changing this makes it much easier for new users. Would it be terribly difficult to try to change it in the documentation?