From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why are and not called and ? Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:09:42 +0100 Message-ID: <44F717D6.2010604@gnu.org> References: <44F706DF.2010201@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2054545191==" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1157044254 9938 80.91.229.2 (31 Aug 2006 17:10:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lennart Borgman , Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 31 19:10:53 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIq3j-0005wG-VL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:10:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIq3j-00038K-G8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:10:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GIq3U-00036d-Ii for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:10:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GIq3T-00035K-Oq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:10:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIq3T-000352-Ip for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:10:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [213.86.207.50] (helo=exchange.integrasp.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GIqD8-0007Pv-K4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:20:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.111.61] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by exchange.integrasp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id RT1SSKH1; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:01:09 +0100 Original-Received: from 192.168.111.61 ([192.168.111.61] helo=[192.168.111.61]) by ASSP-nospam; 31 Aug 2006 18:01:09 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.0.4) Gecko/20060516 Thunderbird/1.5.0.4 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 Original-To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:59167 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2054545191== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010604030706030602090902" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010604030706030602090902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Why does not key-description use the names and ? >> > > 'Cause X11 calls them `prior' and `next'? > As does MS Windows at the API level, but these messages are intended for end users, not programmers, so it is better to follow how the keys are labelled on the majority of modern keyboards than the names used in the header files. Personally, the last time I saw these keys labelled Next and Prior was in 1992. Since then, every keyboard I have used has labelled them Page Up/Page Down or PgUp/PgDn or some other abbreviation. But I wouldn't suggest changing this until after the release, as it probably affects lots of documentation, even if we keep the old names as aliases for backwards compatibility. --------------010604030706030602090902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stefan Monnier wrote:
Why does not key-description use the names <page down> and <page up>?
    

'Cause X11 calls them `prior' and `next'?
  
As does MS Windows at the API level, but these messages are intended for end users, not programmers, so it is better to follow how the keys are labelled on the majority of modern keyboards than the names used in the header files.

Personally, the last time I saw these keys labelled Next and Prior was in 1992. Since then, every keyboard I have used has labelled them Page Up/Page Down or PgUp/PgDn or some other abbreviation.

But I wouldn't suggest changing this until after the release, as it probably affects lots of documentation, even if we keep the old names as aliases for backwards compatibility.

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