From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: cua-mode and the tutorial Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:57:00 +0200 Message-ID: <44EB294C.8060503@student.lu.se> References: <44C8F069.1070002@student.lu.se> <44EB151A.2000102@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1156262324 17444 80.91.229.2 (22 Aug 2006 15:58:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 22 17:58:39 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFYdk-0002SB-Jq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:58:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFYdk-00056x-SA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:58:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GFYcw-0004qn-5Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:57:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GFYcu-0004pr-3Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GFYct-0004pk-UE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:57:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.11.98] (helo=pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GFYkX-0007bd-9h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:05:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.218.244) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44E94C20000823EA; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:57:01 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) Original-To: "Kim F. Storm" In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:58729 Archived-At: Kim F. Storm wrote: >> A possible solution is perhaps to tell replace C-v in the tutorial >> with the actual key to use. However that requires rewriting the text >> since there are also sentences like "do it by holding down the CONTROL >> key while typing v". (And there are many languages to rewrite.) Maybe >> that sentence could be removed? >> > > It could. But again there are many languages to consider, and > this is part of text files, not generated in Lisp. > > >>> It would be much better if you just placed a few yellow lines >>> near the top with the following wording: >>> >>> >>> >> Having less information there is maybe a solution, yes. And using help >> buffer for details. However I do believe that the tutorial should try >> to tell the actual key bindings that the user will use. Is not that >> much easier for those that use CUA mode for example? >> > > But it gives it in the wrong language (except for the English tutorial). > > Having just a few lines in English is ok IMO. > Or maybe have them in the language choosen in form of some specially marked text in the text file? I would like some more feedback from other on your suggestion above before I proceed. > I hope so :-) but with cua-mode enabled, many basic things in > the tutorial could be explained quite differently -- but there > is no way to do than in >1 languages. > I would like pointers to CUA mode att relevant places (but not on too many places) in the manual. > I don't really care that much (it's a long time since I needed to run > the tutorial, and I never got used to the native bindings anyway). > I think we might be a bit biased. > Maybe you could highlight [yellow background] C-v (and similar > bindings used in the tutorial) if they have non-standard bindings. > Then users will be alerted to the fact that they don't work as > expected and they should consult the instructions at the beginning of > the tutorial! You could even put a tool-tip on them to show the > actual binding to use instead. > I did that in one version. I made links going to the yellow part at the top. I could put it back.