From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8368: 24.0.50; "temp" means "help" - rename or at least document Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 06:09:59 -0700 Message-ID: <44E8D30016CC4FBBBD986DD8F8FE5BC6@us.oracle.com> References: <4F9BA96C.8070005@gmx.at> <4573CB93BA8F47DD922007A8C8CF3EB3@us.oracle.com> <4F9D1AB8.5090302@gmx.at> <2F5D2C7A2A6D44A3B25C5891EFEF7DF0@us.oracle.com> <4F9E5E08.4030400@gmx.at> <4F9F9A19.30402@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335877843 10391 80.91.229.3 (1 May 2012 13:10:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 13:10:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen' , 8368@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: "'martin rudalics'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 01 15:10:41 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SPCql-0001ah-Vv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 1 May 2012 13:10:04 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt120.oracle.com (abhmt120.oracle.com [141.146.116.72]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q41DA2F6003224; Tue, 1 May 2012 08:10:02 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.222.14) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 01 May 2012 06:10:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4F9F9A19.30402@gmx.at> Thread-Index: Ac0ncavBkXmh6W8WTcimCVt94tFcNgAKKGag X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:59676 Archived-At: > The question is rather one of how to avoid > confusing users when we have, for example, a `temp-buffer-setup-hook' > and a `plain-temp-buffer-setup-hook' and BOTH get run when we > invoke the inheriting macro. I thought both what you proposed and what I proposed addressed this: rename (alias) and deprecate the old, misleading names. Seems like we're going 'round in circles now. I thought we (you & I & Stefan, at least) had already agreed on a reasonable solution. And I was pretty clear that the names are not what is most important to me. What matters most is to have a macro that does only the non-help stuff, separate from the macro that does also the help stuff. To repeat: >> Probably we will need to leave the original name for the >> current behavior, but if it could be aliased to something >> with "help" in the name, and then the original name deprecated, >> that would be better. (I think that's part of what >> you suggest.) And create a new name for the >> temp-without-the-help-stuff case. >> >> Whatever you decide will I'm sure be better than the hard-coded >> take-it-or-leave-it situation we have now. And splitting the >> two this way will also reduce any pressure (e.g., from users >> like me) not to add more help stuff to the help-mode version.