From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bug in Custom Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 02:32:25 +0200 Message-ID: <44A5C299.8050304@student.lu.se> References: <200607010014.k610E6WN015030@jane.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1151713971 30041 80.91.229.2 (1 Jul 2006 00:32:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 00:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: abraham@dina.kvl.dk, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 01 02:32:48 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwTPg-0005T0-4Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 02:32:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwTPf-000618-GV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:32:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FwTPU-0005ys-2Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:32:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FwTPR-0005wx-IB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:32:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FwTPR-0005wu-BE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:32:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.11.159] (helo=pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FwTcK-0003Ix-4I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:45:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.218.244) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 44A135F1000E72EF; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 02:32:26 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-Reply-To: <200607010014.k610E6WN015030@jane.dms.auburn.edu> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:56335 Archived-At: Luc Teirlinck wrote: > I reported this bug a month and a half ago, but it is still present. > When I first reported it, the person who introduced the bug did > apparently not even read my explanations and declared the bug to be a > "feature". In the interest of Custom users, it would be good if > somebody else (Richard?) tried to understand my arguments of why this > really is a bug. > > I CC-ed Per in case he is interested. > > Start Emacs, assuming that fill-column is at its standard value of 70 > and do > > M-: (setq-default fill-column 71) > > `M-x customize-option fill-column RET' > > Edit to 72 and set for current session, using the State Menu. > > Then choose "Erase Customization" from the State Menu. > > The value should now be 70 and the State STANDARD. > > Instead, the value is 71 and we see: > > CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable. > > To which Chong Yidong replied: > > I don't see the problem: the value 71 is the last value that > fill-column had before it was changed with customize. That's why > erasing customizations brings back this value. > > I already refuted this a month and a half ago, but in the hope that > somebody else might be willing to actually try to understand why > this makes no sense, I will try one last time. > I agree this is a bug. A serious bug.