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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: bignum branch
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:32:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <447774de-c305-5478-1438-7794344456d4@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o9f45ot8.fsf@Rainer.invalid>

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On 07/18/2018 12:25 PM, Achim Gratz wrote:
> the established FP math says these
> two values should not compare equal anyway.

Sure, and = still does that. = is about numeric comparison; eql is about value 
comparison. Neither dominates the other: for example, they disagree about 0.0 vs 
-0.0 (= says they're equal, but eql says they're distinguishable values and so 
are not equal), and conversely they disagree about 0.0e+NaN versus 0.0e+NaN (= 
says they're not equal, whereas eql says they're indistinguishable values are so 
are equal).

> If you stray from that
> convention there should be a really good reason for that and it needs to
> be prominently documented.

There is good reason: eq, eql, and equal are about distinguishing objects (vital 
for hash tables, e.g.) whereas = is about numeric comparison. These are 
different things, and the numeric-comparison rule for NaNs is inconsistent with 
how hash tables should work. I gave a shot at documenting this by installing the 
attached patch.


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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:29:28 -0700
Subject: [PATCH] =?UTF-8?q?Improve=20doc=20for=20floating=20point=20?=
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* doc/lispref/numbers.texi (Float Basics, Comparison of Numbers):
Improve documentation of ‘=’ vs ‘eq’, ‘eql’ and ‘equal’
when NaNs and signed zeros are involved.
---
 doc/lispref/numbers.texi | 31 +++++++++++++++++++++----------
 1 file changed, 21 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)

diff --git a/doc/lispref/numbers.texi b/doc/lispref/numbers.texi
index 6c51b84..70bb103 100644
--- a/doc/lispref/numbers.texi
+++ b/doc/lispref/numbers.texi
@@ -223,7 +223,7 @@ Float Basics
 @samp{1500.} is an integer, not a floating-point number.
 
   Emacs Lisp treats @code{-0.0} as numerically equal to ordinary zero
-with respect to @code{equal} and @code{=}.  This follows the
+with respect to numeric comparisons like @code{=}.  This follows the
 @acronym{IEEE} floating-point standard, which says @code{-0.0} and
 @code{0.0} are numerically equal even though other operations can
 distinguish them.
@@ -232,19 +232,26 @@ Float Basics
 @cindex negative infinity
 @cindex infinity
 @cindex NaN
-@findex eql
-@findex sxhash-eql
   The @acronym{IEEE} floating-point standard supports positive
 infinity and negative infinity as floating-point values.  It also
 provides for a class of values called NaN, or ``not a number'';
 numerical functions return such values in cases where there is no
 correct answer.  For example, @code{(/ 0.0 0.0)} returns a NaN@.
 A NaN is never numerically equal to any value, not even to itself.
-NaNs carry a sign and a significand, and non-numeric functions like
-@code{eql} and @code{sxhash-eql} treat two NaNs as equal when their
+NaNs carry a sign and a significand, and non-numeric functions treat
+two NaNs as equal when their
 signs and significands agree.  Significands of NaNs are
 machine-dependent and are not directly visible to Emacs Lisp.
 
+  When NaNs and signed zeros are involved, non-numeric functions like
+@code{eql}, @code{equal}, @code{sxhash-eql}, @code{sxhash-equal} and
+@code{gethash} determine whether values are indistinguishable, not
+whether they are numerically equal.  For example, when @var{x} and
+@var{y} are the same NaN, @code{(equal x y)} returns @code{t} whereas
+@code{(= x y)} uses numeric comparison and returns @code{nil};
+conversely, @code{(equal 0.0 -0.0)} returns @code{nil} whereas
+@code{(= 0.0 -0.0)} returns @code{t}.
+
 Here are read syntaxes for these special floating-point values:
 
 @table @asis
@@ -359,11 +366,15 @@ Comparison of Numbers
 @cindex comparing numbers
 
   To test numbers for numerical equality, you should normally use
-@code{=}, not @code{eq}.  There can be many distinct floating-point
-objects with the same numeric value.  If you use @code{eq} to
-compare them, then you test whether two values are the same
-@emph{object}.  By contrast, @code{=} compares only the numeric values
-of the objects.
+@code{=} instead of non-numeric comparison predicates like @code{eq},
+@code{eql} and @code{equal}.  Distinct floating-point objects can be
+numerically equal.  If you use @code{eq} to compare them, you test
+whether they are the same @emph{object}; if you use @code{eql} or
+@code{equal}, you test whether their values are
+@emph{indistinguishable}.  In contrast, @code{=} uses numeric
+comparison, and sometimes returns @code{t} when a non-numeric
+comparison would return @code{nil} and vice versa.  @xref{Float
+Basics}.
 
   In Emacs Lisp, each integer is a unique Lisp object.
 Therefore, @code{eq} is equivalent to @code{=} where integers are
-- 
2.7.4


  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-07-19 20:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 205+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-13  4:26 bignum branch Tom Tromey
2018-07-13  7:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-13  8:45 ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-13  9:51   ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-13 11:59     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-13 13:31       ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-13 18:06         ` Tom Tromey
2018-07-13 12:04     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-13 12:14       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-13 13:02         ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-13 13:50           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-15 16:29             ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-17 18:10               ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-17 18:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-17 19:06                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-17 20:00                   ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-17 21:17                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-07-18  1:01                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-18  9:28                 ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-18 13:21                   ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-18 13:32                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-18 16:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-18 16:21                       ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-18 16:47                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-13 12:34       ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-13 14:28 ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-13 14:42   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-13 14:53     ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-13 15:03       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-13 15:30   ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-13 19:35     ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-14 16:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-14 20:04         ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-15 13:46           ` Tom Tromey
2018-07-15 15:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-16 12:19               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-16 14:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-16 16:09                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-16 18:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-16 18:32                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-16 18:42                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-16 14:35             ` Tom Tromey
2018-07-16 22:28               ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-21 15:35                 ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-22 16:43                   ` Tom Tromey
2018-07-22 17:41                     ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-03  0:43                       ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-03  6:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-03  9:01                           ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-03  9:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-03 10:07                               ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-03 13:16                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-03 14:05                                   ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-03 17:44                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-03 19:54                                       ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-04  6:11                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 11:14                                           ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-04 11:29                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-03 20:17                                       ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-03 21:02                                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-03 21:19                                           ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-04  1:22                                             ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-04  6:18                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 10:49                                                 ` Achim Gratz
2018-08-04 11:07                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 10:43                                             ` Achim Gratz
2018-08-04 16:33                                               ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-04 18:28                                                 ` Achim Gratz
2018-08-04  6:20                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-04 11:17                                         ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-04 16:41                                           ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-06 10:18                                             ` Robert Pluim
2018-08-07  0:36                                           ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-07  8:38                                             ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-08  0:25                                               ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-04 17:10                                         ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-03 17:30                           ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-03 19:16                             ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-04  6:07                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-05 11:36                                 ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-05 15:18                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-06 18:12                                     ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-07  0:41                                       ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-07  2:03                                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-07  3:59                                           ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-07  4:02                                             ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-07 11:22                                             ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-07 16:53                                             ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-07 17:12                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-07 17:52                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-08  0:23                                                   ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-07 11:17                                         ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-08  0:26                                           ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-08 14:24                                             ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-08 16:35                                         ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-08 23:14                                           ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-09  2:33                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-09  7:59                                               ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-09 13:01                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-09 17:31                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-09 18:32                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-09 19:22                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-09 16:34                                               ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-09 18:28                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-09 19:30                                                 ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-08 23:37                                           ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-09  0:07                                             ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-09  2:03                                               ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-09  9:19                                                 ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-09 20:49                                                 ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-10  5:45                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-10  7:43                                                     ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-10  7:59                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-10  9:48                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-10 20:58                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-11  7:08                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-11  8:02                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-11 10:50                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-11 12:57                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-11 19:38                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-10 11:18                                                         ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-10 11:56                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2018-08-10 12:25                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-10 12:27                                                             ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-10 18:37                                                               ` Achim Gratz
2018-08-10 12:26                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-10 12:46                                                             ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-10  9:46                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-10 11:39                                                         ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-10 12:33                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-10 14:05                                                             ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-10 19:57                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-11 15:21                                                                 ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-11 15:25                                                                   ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-11 16:04                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-11 16:16                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-11 16:54                                                                     ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-11 17:34                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-11 17:56                                                                         ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-11 18:10                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-11 18:15                                                                             ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-11 19:08                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-11 22:15                                                                                 ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-12 18:54                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-12 19:44                                                                                     ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-13 15:02                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-13 23:13                                                                                         ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-14 14:55                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-14 15:11                                                                                             ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-14 15:19                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-14 16:16                                                                                                 ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-15 17:01                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-11 17:00                                                                     ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-10 15:25                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-10 16:45                                                               ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-10 19:34                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-09  3:49                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-09  9:21                                                 ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-09  2:37                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-03 20:13                         ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-04 16:39                         ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-04 17:24                           ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-05 10:46                           ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-05 18:59                             ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-06 18:17                               ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-15 15:00           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-15 17:31             ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-15 18:27               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-16 19:02                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-17  2:42                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-17 15:53                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-17 17:03                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-17 17:24                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-17 17:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-17 17:41                             ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-17 17:53                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-17 18:55                                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-17 19:04                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-17 22:39                                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-18  2:41                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-18  7:39                                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-18 11:14                                           ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-18 11:57                                             ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-18 13:09                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-07-18 13:18                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-18 13:43                                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-07-18 14:06                                                     ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-18 19:25                                                       ` Achim Gratz
2018-07-18 20:41                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-19  2:36                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-19 20:32                                                         ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2018-07-20 20:02                                                           ` Achim Gratz
2018-07-20 20:58                                                             ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-20 21:48                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-22 19:49                                                               ` Achim Gratz
2018-07-18 18:29                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-18 11:10                                       ` Andy Moreton
2018-07-18 18:34                                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-25 21:02             ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-09 14:26 ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-08-09 15:17   ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-09 16:23     ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-08-09 16:25     ` Tom Tromey
2018-08-09 17:08       ` Andy Moreton
2018-08-09 19:29         ` Tom Tromey

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