From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Semi-unhelpful error message given when trying to (provide 'CUA-mode) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:21:35 +0200 Message-ID: <447190AF.6020109@student.lu.se> References: <85fyj4bl8p.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20060520.211854.71848142.wl@gnu.org> <85lkswa29b.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <44701B91.60606@swipnet.se> <85wtcfbt3n.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4470A6DB.3020504@swipnet.se> <85d5e79ipp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4470EF05.5070408@student.lu.se> <44715134.7050803@swipnet.se> <44717C21.1040600@student.lu.se> <447188A6.7000608@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1148293355 23680 80.91.229.2 (22 May 2006 10:22:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 22 12:22:33 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi7YV-0006Zz-3z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:22:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi7YU-0001oJ-HD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:22:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi7Y7-0001fA-Nf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:22:07 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi7Y6-0001d7-4n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:22:07 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fi7Y5-0001cx-VT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:22:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [81.228.11.159] (helo=pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fi7c3-00036j-9D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:26:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.123.121] (83.249.218.244) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.072.1) id 446DC71E000876AF; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:21:35 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) Original-To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= In-Reply-To: <447188A6.7000608@swipnet.se> X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:55022 Archived-At: Jan Dj=E4rv wrote: > > > Lennart Borgman skrev: >> Jan Dj=E4rv wrote: >>>> As far as I know F10 also always works on w32 for activating the=20 >>>> menus. However the most usual way on w32 is to use the ALT key. Is=20 >>>> that the usual way in Gnome/Gtk+ too? >>> >>> Most usual depends on what the user do, but keyboard shortcuts for=20 >>> menus, using ALT + some key, are available if the menus are set up=20 >>> like that by the program. Emacs does not. >> >> What is missing in Emacs here? I know from what you told me before=20 >> that Emacs does not setup accelerator keys for the menus (which at=20 >> least on w32 are underlined characters). However on w32 this is not=20 >> needed to activate the menus with ALT. It suffices to just press ALT.=20 >> (Usually once but sometimes in some apps twice, which I believe is=20 >> due to somewhat bad handling of accessibility in those programs.) > > Oh, you men just pressing ALT and no additional key? That is not used=20 > in Gnome/Gtk+. Or any other toolkit or OS I know of either. Must be=20 > w32-specific. Yes, I mean just pressing ALT and then using the arrow keys to navigate=20 in the menus. Thanks, then I understand a little bit better why my cries for reserving=20 the ALT key for the menus on w32 have fallen unheard here. However on=20 w32 that is very important. Too bad those things are not cross-OS. Does=20 anyone knows if there is something in the accessibility guidelines that=20 says something about this?