From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: please review bug #13141 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:21:34 -0800 Message-ID: <43F5E102C96D463EB05CCF2B31927861@us.oracle.com> References: <415AF94149E240B7BCB28128E45D3135@us.oracle.com><20130119232015.GA517@acm.acm> <87obgk5npd.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1358716910 510 80.91.229.3 (20 Jan 2013 21:21:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: , "'Stephen J. Turnbull'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 20 22:22:08 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx2L9-0007nV-LR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:22:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34487 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx2Ks-0000wL-M1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:21:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49483) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx2Kq-0000wE-BQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:21:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx2Kp-0002Hk-9O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:21:48 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:44704) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx2Kp-0002HS-29; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 16:21:47 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r0KLLidY005835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:21:45 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0KLLiiD021835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:21:44 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt105.oracle.com (abhmt105.oracle.com [141.146.116.57]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r0KLLhAr031567; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:21:43 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:21:43 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac33Pb0GeAryfa2ySL22lC4KVVeIqgAEbImA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:156511 Archived-At: > I've had at least half a dozen cases > where users deleted automatically added information which I then > requested -- to no avail, since the reporters never responded. > > To go out of their way to delete it makes me wonder why. Maybe it was > a valid reason. Could it be that there was something private in that > information which they specifically did not want to send? > > Because of this consideration it would not be right to hide > that information. We should not try to trick our users into sending > us something they did not want to send. That is one valid reason a user might not want to send some information. And a valid reason for Emacs not to hide it. And a good reason to give users an easy way to (a) not include it by default but also perhaps (b) be able to add any piece of it by hitting a key. Some have pointed out that the default set of info to include is one thing, whether hard-coded or user customizable, but it is also the case that one often wants to tailor the info sent to the particular bug. A user who reports many bugs for which most of the default info is not pertinent (just noise) can customize the option to get a different default set, as an alternative to deleting the noise manually each time. But it would be good to also let that user add this or that info quickly, when relevant. That is where (b) can come in (suggested by Dmitry). The patch I sent does not provide (b). But it should be simple to do that.