From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Retrieving the "include" directory for Emacs Modules Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 03:03:53 +0200 Message-ID: <42490.3899127216$1735434286@news.gmane.org> References: <86ttbcdhwn.fsf@gnu.org> <865xnscj0s.fsf@gnu.org> <86jzbp2r7a.fsf@gnu.org> <86zfkl11fc.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27176"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Stefan Monnier To: Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 29 02:04:40 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tRhjU-0006wr-5S for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 02:04:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRhit-00026z-KE; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 20:04:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRhis-00026b-Ip for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 20:04:02 -0500 Original-Received: from thaodan.de ([185.216.177.71]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tRhio-0006I8-NT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 20:04:01 -0500 Original-Received: from odin (dsl-trebng12-50dc7b-49.dhcp.inet.fi [80.220.123.49]) by thaodan.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9BBE7D00057; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 03:03:54 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=thaodan.de; s=mail; t=1735434234; bh=l2q6VwTH2po9AnTk3ma1WHdkIshpJcdJ9aPesiN/3kA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=jQBWq9jdvQ83AHvX6LGiix2CMqfO7+zinA4cCwbP+zeRp2jB1GtXlPKl5FkOzwhhL kYRRe7RhZFx8LnG+BPz/axhgwdHDjcjs4RZAhnV/9wc0PVcqpND4f1bZI9KlfFitYF IgBnqQXVOeBkk1FOXSk4jxgPML8W2FP/wz4228WX2iplcH2BxPTKVco3P9/Wrh7+kq Itt+wP5Fb6NZUnIYXn9XKgt5Ft0AZ8gM63ykexhZ1sEJx+M6sMFdUM0bCcSBqUgLcy l1gsniQMvL0uvBLPZPazAVf94qwVVLxQ4QTkO/dj+zTBSwU4CuWIu+KL6bYCEoBFuz 7d08pfKsI3ktjYXaLZ9T1+LYGog6R5Mg7P66m8815oQx//48SMxXK4D+BpHzeui8u8 sWUFDmuwfGxGk+SbmcVZZ5JDpdn2KzFVl6aYgOEShQyGILCseZbP9sBGeQx4XXnOq/ fMRchJf0GatCcyXGFCTiWXcmLrdUvZhlYdzQgStXCqRDFlM0QhFTjiphK0POIDHa1r Jx1Lznn116EzF8GH2T0bExZc8+cCraRRsgFXh6iKIt6/4IGDKUxD/IxIayHVRIZQoe YdQjmHu3KXED9ThXN6EW+sE6zJ6f/Glcsbvp+00aKQgOvzpeqMFdGGa/SV57f92Ccx oZUKW52eCAfJuTAhDL4E4vLA= In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier via Users list for the's message of "Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:35:10 -0500") Autocrypt: addr=bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEZNfpPhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdACBEmr+0xwIIHZfIDlZmm7sa+lHHSb0g9FZrN6qE6ru60JUJq w7ZybiBCaWRhciA8Ympvcm4uYmlkYXJAdGhhb2Rhbi5kZT6IlgQTFgoAPgIbAwULCQgHAgIiAgYV CgkICwIEFgIDAQIeBwIXgBYhBFHxdut1RzAepymoq1wbdKFlHF9oBQJk1/YmAhkBAAoJEFwbdKFl HF9oB9cBAJoIIGQKXm4cpap+Flxc/EGnYl0123lcEyzuduqvlDT0AQC3OlFKm/OiqJ8IMTrzJRZ8 phFssTkSrrFXnM2jm5PYDoiTBBMWCgA7FiEEUfF263VHMB6nKairXBt0oWUcX2gFAmTX6T4CGwMF CwkIBwICIgIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgcCF4AACgkQXBt0oWUcX2hbCQEAtru7kvM8hi8zo6z9ux2h K+B5xViKuo7Z8K3IXuK5ugwA+wUfKzomzdBPhfxDsqLcEziGRxoyx0Q3ld9aermBUccHtBxCasO2 cm4gQmlkYXIgPG1lQHRoYW9kYW4uZGU+iJMEExYKADsCGwMFCwkIBwICIgIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwEC HgcCF4AWIQRR8XbrdUcwHqcpqKtcG3ShZRxfaAUCZNf2FQAKCRBcG3ShZRxfaCzSAP4hZ7cSp0YN XYpcjHdsySh2MuBhhoPeLGXs+2kSiqBiOwD/TP8AgPEg/R+SI9GI9on7fBJJ0mp2IT8kZ2rhDOjg gA6IkwQTFgoAOxYhBFHxdut1RzAepymoq1wbdKFlH Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.216.177.71; envelope-from=bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de; helo=thaodan.de X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, INVALID_MSGID=0.568, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:149053 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor writes: >> Those under /usr/lib are looked in by the relevant compilers (they are >> include directories private to those compilers, hard-coded into them >> when they are built). Those under /usr/share are private to the >> relevant packages, and are either examples or test suites (thus AFAIU >> unrelated to the issue at hand here). Those under /usr/src are what I >> mentioned: private headers needed to build a package. > > Indeed, they each have their own reason to exist. And this is in Debian, > i.e. a distribution which is very careful to install things in the one > central place where they belong. I'm on openSUSE which is entirely unrelated same policy. In fact all Unixes have such a policy (macOS doesn't count in this context). > Other relevant cases will look very different: > Emacs.app, AppImages, Snap packages, etc... Who are proprietary platforms such as Snap relevant to Emacs? For these where a sandbox is involved such as Snap or Flatpak it is not possible to interact with external resources without breaking the security of the sandbox. But anyway this is going off-topic.