Toolbar: Suggestion for improved dired icon.

Toolbar: Suggestion for improved dired icon.

[Joachim Nilsson]

Hi!

I "made" alternative dired icons based on the GNOME file-manager.png
available in the hicolor theme.  I think that is the standard theme.
With my limited perception this one feels more appropriate than the
current folder-with-a-d currently used.

Xpm, pbm and a toolbar screenshot is available for inspection at

	http://vmlinux.org/jocke/gnu/emacs/

Regards
  /Jocke

Re: Toolbar: Suggestion for improved dired icon.

[David Kastrup]

Joachim Nilsson <joachim.nilsson@vmlinux.org> writes:

> I "made" alternative dired icons based on the GNOME file-manager.png
> available in the hicolor theme.  I think that is the standard theme.
> With my limited perception this one feels more appropriate than the
> current folder-with-a-d currently used.

Seconded.  folder-d is a crutch.

> Xpm, pbm and a toolbar screenshot is available for inspection at
>
> 	http://vmlinux.org/jocke/gnu/emacs/

I find that it appears too dark (contrast too low, too), and too
small.  That being said, I think that Jan did the adaptation of the
GNOME icons, so maybe he has a script to import the original icon "in
style".

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: Toolbar: Suggestion for improved dired icon.

[Joachim Nilsson]

David Kastrup wrote:
> Joachim Nilsson <joachim.nilsson@vmlinux.org> writes:
>>Xpm, pbm and a toolbar screenshot is available for inspection at
>>	http://vmlinux.org/jocke/gnu/emacs/
> I find that it appears too dark (contrast too low, too), and too small.

If Jan has an automated script, that's great. In the meantime I did
two new xpm's, a little bit brighter and two sizes bigger than the
first one.  There are screenshots for them as well.

diropen2.xpm	- A bit too big, height 24px.
diropen3.xpm	- Feels better, height 20px.

  /Jocke

Re: Toolbar: Suggestion for improved dired icon.

[David Kastrup]

Joachim Nilsson <joachim.nilsson@vmlinux.org> writes:

> David Kastrup wrote:
>> Joachim Nilsson <joachim.nilsson@vmlinux.org> writes:
>>>Xpm, pbm and a toolbar screenshot is available for inspection at
>>>	http://vmlinux.org/jocke/gnu/emacs/
>> I find that it appears too dark (contrast too low, too), and too small.
>
> If Jan has an automated script, that's great. In the meantime I did
> two new xpm's, a little bit brighter and two sizes bigger than the
> first one.  There are screenshots for them as well.
>
> diropen2.xpm	- A bit too big, height 24px.

Actually, I find that ok.

> diropen3.xpm	- Feels better, height 20px.

The color appears to be off somewhat, inconsistent with other colors.
I suggest we wait for Jan to speak up: presumably if he does the
conversion with his method, what was consistent in GNOME, should
become consistent in Emacs.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: Toolbar: Suggestion for improved dired icon.

[Jan D.]

>>If Jan has an automated script, that's great. In the meantime I did
>>two new xpm's, a little bit brighter and two sizes bigger than the
>>first one.  There are screenshots for them as well.
>>
>>diropen2.xpm	- A bit too big, height 24px.
>>    
>>
>
>Actually, I find that ok.
>
>  
>
>>diropen3.xpm	- Feels better, height 20px.
>>    
>>
>
>The color appears to be off somewhat, inconsistent with other colors.
>I suggest we wait for Jan to speak up: presumably if he does the
>conversion with his method, what was consistent in GNOME, should
>become consistent in Emacs.
>  
>

The Gnome icons are consistent because the Gnome people designed them 
that way, I didn't do anything in the conversion.   The colors of this 
icon seem to be a bit off compared to the standard icons.  I don't have 
any opinion on this icon, if you feel it is better, check it in.  Just 
don't forget to reduce the colors some more, ideally not more than 
hundred.  Otherwise people running on 8 bit displays will run out.  When 
reducing colors, avoid dithering, it looks bad on icons this small.  And 
use the same palette as for the other icons also, so the sum of colors 
Emacs uses doesn't increase (it is on the limit for 8 bit displays already).

    Jan D.

Re: Toolbar: Suggestion for improved dired icon.

[David Kastrup]

"Jan D." <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes:

>>>If Jan has an automated script, that's great. In the meantime I did
>>>two new xpm's, a little bit brighter and two sizes bigger than the
>>>first one.  There are screenshots for them as well.
>>>
>>>diropen2.xpm	- A bit too big, height 24px.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>Actually, I find that ok.
>>
>>  
>>
>>>diropen3.xpm	- Feels better, height 20px.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>The color appears to be off somewhat, inconsistent with other colors.
>>I suggest we wait for Jan to speak up: presumably if he does the
>>conversion with his method, what was consistent in GNOME, should
>>become consistent in Emacs.
>>  
>>
>
> The Gnome icons are consistent because the Gnome people designed them
> that way,

That's what I said.

> I didn't do anything in the conversion.

Ah, but the question is, just _how_ did you convert them?  So that one
can convert this item in the same way.

> The colors of this icon seem to be a bit off compared to the
> standard icons.  I don't have any opinion on this icon, if you feel
> it is better, check it in.

Personally, I definitely find it better than the "d" folder thing.
Even though that is not a hard task.

> Just don't forget to reduce the colors some more, ideally not more
> than hundred.  Otherwise people running on 8 bit displays will run
> out.  When reducing colors, avoid dithering, it looks bad on icons
> this small.  And use the same palette as for the other icons also,
> so the sum of colors Emacs uses doesn't increase (it is on the limit
> for 8 bit displays already).

Did you do the conversion manually, or did you use some special tool
for it?  Actually, this is a stupid question since you probably did
not use pencil and paper.  So what tool did you use, and how?

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

Re: Toolbar: Suggestion for improved dired icon.

[Jan D.]

David Kastrup wrote:

>>Just don't forget to reduce the colors some more, ideally not more
>>than hundred.  Otherwise people running on 8 bit displays will run
>>out.  When reducing colors, avoid dithering, it looks bad on icons
>>this small.  And use the same palette as for the other icons also,
>>so the sum of colors Emacs uses doesn't increase (it is on the limit
>>for 8 bit displays already).
>>    
>>
>
>Did you do the conversion manually, or did you use some special tool
>for it?  Actually, this is a stupid question since you probably did
>not use pencil and paper.  So what tool did you use, and how?
>  
>

Gimp, I don't remember the details, but convert to indexed, and reduce 
colors and choose palette when doing that.  Then save as xpm, setting 
alpha to 255.  I don't think it was any more steps.

    Jan D.