From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: visual-line-mode Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:56:08 -0400 Message-ID: <41BE2BC8-BA2A-449E-B42A-25AA21AD7B22@gmail.com> References: <87zlp4raab.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87d4lzehq2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87skuqbwr8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <85E9BC5B-7337-4CD4-A783-6B2FAEBAEBCA@gmail.com> <87tzf6c5il.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87abgxx0ju.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D997CA8-A2ED-4E12-9F91-76E98AE95210@gmail.com> <87prpsjhre.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <375C0006-2B47-4B1F-9EB2-ED47941C2DB3@gmail.com> <87od56tp4o.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <71C2D50C-1680-4ADD-A7E3-7B7A1146B85D@gmail.com> <87ej61n19h.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87vdzdr6f6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87fxqhpblm.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87iqvdrq92.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--889716404; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1215788206 15930 80.91.229.12 (11 Jul 2008 14:56:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel , "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , Stefan Monnier , Miles Bader To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 11 16:57:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KHK3e-0006Wc-Ff for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:57:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43315 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHK2m-0003x9-PA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:56:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHK2i-0003x4-AH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:56:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KHK2f-0003ws-Sz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:56:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40781 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KHK2f-0003wp-O7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:56:13 -0400 Original-Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.243]:63182) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KHK2f-00088l-An for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 10:56:13 -0400 Original-Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c38so709042ana.84 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:56:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=VsY+zFAj5RfmOoFI+b5ZZMPxlqf3kKNutdRZzJsz0ew=; b=sUVuWUAbmfBOk5zlL5enjuHCcT/4s7iEDqmt7EaiqYsD64K2hkYQpjOnx6C9R0nMC4 6yOkhyfQRYK8F7f+kzi4lcIWv3xatWIvknKMsHkpfHb8w3a1LZbNMzKU/iBgSnFOXsDL shWp96PxP6wthQVQ6sF5BgGX+VXB6WXfEeFz4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=dEoDnRwJpMtlfXJEfVEmrVSrYEOXeVktY3h+jJB5yLLls9Xvlq9e+1FFpHhLi97yV2 EyUDIhY2/JNkynxVyk57orjFe4XXvwBwLCV69lgv7/PGqv6Eu8Y6bzAGH2WOALtd3dMI SrRNWBxHxbuuYCY6N+j8BErQUGj3L94mAFUYE= Original-Received: by 10.100.11.7 with SMTP id 7mr8268493ank.149.1215788172369; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from CMU-276608.WV.CC.CMU.EDU ( [128.237.243.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c39sm810815anc.29.2008.07.11.07.56.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:56:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87iqvdrq92.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100583 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-6--889716404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 11 Jul 2008, at 00:36, Chong Yidong wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >> This said, I find that visual-line movement works well *all the time* >> (literally). I've never felt like turning it off and the few times >> I've >> bumped into it unexpectedly, I was positively surprised. >> >> OTOH, I don't think I'd like C-k to work on visual lines (I know I >> hate >> this behavior in Firefox), so maybe we should distinguish the >> screen-line movements (which I could even consider turning on by >> default) from other screen-line operations. > > I agree that it would be good to make this the default, if it works as > well as you say. > The visual editing mode, probably based on David > Reitter's code in some modified form, can go on top of it (like > longlines mode, I think it is useful for editing certain types of > text, > though not all.) We need to make it work properly with point-motion > hooks, though. Would you like to do that? OK, do I understand you right? 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