From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Merging Finder into package mechanism Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:59:42 -0700 Message-ID: <41A82A0C268E42CA838BB6AF4C778B20@us.oracle.com> References: <87hbie8ppy.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1288472411 4132 80.91.229.12 (30 Oct 2010 21:00:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 21:00:11 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Chong Yidong'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 30 23:00:07 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PCIX0-0002GD-Ql for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 23:00:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39776 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PCIX0-0005lT-DW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:00:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56221 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PCIWt-0005l1-OO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:00:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PCIWs-0003Q9-Oc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:59:59 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:30099) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PCIWs-0003Pm-Ii for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:59:58 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o9UKxtY2022565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:59:57 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o9UKliqW016452; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:59:55 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt016.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 733676101288472381; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:59:41 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.217.50) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:59:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87hbie8ppy.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Thread-Index: ActG7NWZ+kE1G1YxRdyDCUCZogeRawxhfLRQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:132199 Archived-At: > The proposed technical steps are as follows. First, merge > `finder-package-info' and `package--builtins-base' into a single > variable. This is a backward-incompatible change, but I think that's > acceptable, since third-party code is unlikely to make use of > `finder-package-info'. Think again. I just came across a 3rd-party package that uses `finder-package-info'. I had to inform the author that it won't work anymore, starting with Emacs 24 (unless something changes). I had no more help for him (see below, apropos NEWS). If you truly "merged" those two variables, why couldn't you provide compatibility - via defalias or something? (I don't call completely breaking a variable "merging" it with another variable.) Also, I do not, in any case, see any `package--builtins-base' in Emacs 24. I looked in NEWS, to get some guidance about this incompatible change. Nada - no `finder' in NEWS, and nothing noticeable by searching for `package' either. Your announcement of this change was 2 months ago.