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From: Vinicius Jose Latorre <viniciusjl@ig.com.br>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: printing.el again
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:44:21 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <419D25C5.8080303@ig.com.br> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvvfc3rumx.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

 > > Well, I think it's important to know the optimizations we can use 
or not
 > > and when.
 >
 > I don't understand.  *You* can't use an optimization: the 
byte-compiler can.

Rephrasing:

Well, I think it's important to know the optimizations we can SET or not and
when.

Like when you use gcc:

   gcc -O3

You set above optimization level 3.

Did you understand?


 > > That is, if I have a code which test (featurep 'some-package) and
 > > some-package is not loaded, does the byte-compiler eliminate the code
 > > associated with this test?
 >
 > Think of it this way: any optimization should be "semantics 
preserving" and
 > should thus only affect the CPU and memory usage but not the 
beavior.  So if
 > you can think of a case where an optimization induces a different 
behavior,
 > there are 3 possibilities:
 > 1 - this case is really outlandish and can be itself considered a bug
 >     (e.g. someone does (provide 'xemacs)).
 > 2 - the case is a real problem and thus the byte-compiler does not 
use this
 >     optimization.
 > 3 - the case is a real problem but the compiler does use the 
optimization,
 >     in which case you have uncovered a byte-compiler bug and you should
 >     report it.

Consider the following code:

(defun foo (arg)
   (if (featurep 'someone-package)
      (behavior-A)
    (behavior-B)))

Does the byte-compiler "optimize" the code above?

(featurep 'xemacs) is ok, because you are saying in which system all 
packages
will run.  But if you write a code to have a behavior depending on the 
packages
that are loaded in a given moment, maybe it's not ok.

So, if someone-package is not loaded, the foo is byte-compiled and the
"featurep optimization" is done, the result is:

(defun foo (arg)
  (behavior-B))

If someone-package is loaded later, then the code above will not execute as
behavior-A.

So, "featurep optimization" in general is not good.  But (featurep 'xemacs)
optimization is good.


Vinicius

  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-18 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-14  5:59 printing.el again Stefan
2004-11-14 15:29 ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2004-11-14 19:20   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-15 20:03     ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2004-11-15 20:47       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-16  0:55         ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2004-11-16  1:29           ` Stefan
2004-11-16  1:36             ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-11-16 14:47             ` Ralf Angeli
2004-11-16 16:51               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-18  1:53             ` Vinicius Jose Latorre
2004-11-18 16:30               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-18 22:44                 ` Vinicius Jose Latorre [this message]
2004-11-18 23:31                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-11-19 20:04                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-17  5:03       ` Richard Stallman

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