From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17074: 24.4.50; C-j is undefined in Emacs Lisp mode (and RET doesn't indent either) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <415b0420-c07d-418e-878a-693f1d3f5b9a@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1395609501 7125 80.91.229.3 (23 Mar 2014 21:18:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:18:21 +0000 (UTC) To: 17074@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 23 22:18:27 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WRpmk-0001ly-Ia for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 22:18:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33562 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WRpmk-0000qs-4i for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:18:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40963) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WRpmX-0000qT-3J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:18:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WRpmM-0000zV-S9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:18:13 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:45091) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WRpmM-0000zR-OF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WRpmM-0002cq-EK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:18:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 17074 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.139560943610024 (code B ref -1); Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:18:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Mar 2014 21:17:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46273 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WRpla-0002bb-SE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:17:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39099) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WRplY-0002bS-1B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:17:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WRplN-0000Yk-RX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:17:11 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:36636) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WRplN-0000Yg-OT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:17:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40776) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WRplF-0000j0-5V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:17:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WRpl4-0000Wt-Tr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:16:53 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:28472) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WRpl4-0000Wp-NM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:16:42 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s2NLGfbG009256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:16:41 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s2NLGdp2002873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:16:40 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s2NLGc6E009614 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2014 21:16:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:87256 Archived-At: Up until recently, it was bad enough that you, in effect, swapped C-j and RET behaviors. Bad enough, meaning that I needed to use different keys for different Emacs versions, by default. But at least I could do that. In this version, you've gone a step further and eliminated any newline-and-indent binding by default (AFAICT). C-j used to do that. And recently RET had that effect. Now neither key does it. And C-j isn't even bound by default! Please stop this madness. Could you please return to the behavior that Emacs has always had in this regard: C-j to insert a newline and indent, RET to just insert a newline? Or if that's too much to ask, could you please revert to what you had recently, so I can at least get newline-and-indent by hitting RET instead of C-j? Yes, I can customize things, once you stop changing things and I figure out what the right way to customize things is. FWIW, NEWS is no help in this regard. You've introduced a regression in longstanding behavior (you will call it an improvement, no doubt), apparently without telling users how to simply get back the previous behavior. Shame. In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-03-21 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 116829 dancol@dancol.org-20140321121023-5tjxtiws6qa4qyod Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/snapshot/trunk --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' 'CPPFLAGS=3D-DGC_MCHECK= =3D1 -Ic:/Devel/emacs/include' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib'