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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:227257 Archived-At: Radon Rosborough wrote: > naturally the maintainers all have extensive > experience with using the existing tooling and are inclined to think > it is easier to use than it actually is. I'm not inclined to think that way at all, and I have more experience wit= h using=20 the existing tooling than most. ChangeLog was designed before software to= ols=20 like Git were common, and the format's insistence on recording details ea= sily=20 findable elsewhere wastes my time and my readers' time, as well as being = a=20 barrier to entry as you mention. Unfortunately, we have not been able to=20 convince RMS to fix the format, even though it really needs an upgrade.