From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bill Wohler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PURESIZE increased (again) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:52:52 -0700 Organization: Newt Software Message-ID: <413.1145814772@olgas.newt.com> References: <87lku5u6tx.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com> <200604212310.k3LNA3Jp018780@jane.dms.auburn.edu> <200604230159.k3N1xpBu021881@jane.dms.auburn.edu> <87zmicgucs.fsf@olgas.newt.com> <200604231729.k3NHT77L022853@jane.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1145814791 19817 80.91.229.2 (23 Apr 2006 17:53:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 23 19:53:09 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FXilg-00044p-9f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:53:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FXilf-0003AT-RK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:53:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FXilU-0003AK-K4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:52:56 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FXilS-0003A8-Js for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:52:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FXilS-0003A5-Ee for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:52:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [207.69.195.68] (helo=pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FXinV-0003c1-PL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:55:02 -0400 Original-Received: from h-64-105-34-169.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net ([64.105.34.169] helo=olgas.newt.com) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FXilR-00014k-00; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:52:53 -0400 Original-Received: by olgas.newt.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AEEC216FB7; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from olgas.newt.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by olgas.newt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB87016FA9; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-reply-to: <200604231729.k3NHT77L022853@jane.dms.auburn.edu> Comments: In-reply-to Luc Teirlinck message dated "Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:29:07 -0500." X-Mailer: MH-E 7.94+cvs; nmh 1.1; GNU Emacs 22.0.50 X-Image-URL: http://www.newt.com/wohler/images/bill-diving.png Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:53268 Archived-At: Luc Teirlinck wrote: > If you have so little memory that 170K is worth worrying about, you > quite simply have not enough memory to run Emacs (and _definitely_ not > enough memory to run things like Gnome, KDE or common web browsers > like Mozilla). If you have so little memory that even 10K is > non-negligible, I have no idea what you could run. You bring up a good point. In what sort of environments do people run Emacs? If they are running under X or under Windows, Emacs certainly won't be the largest process. If they are running in a console on a PC or mainframe, 170 kB is probably nothing to worry about either. However, what if folks are running Emacs on embedded devices? Or PDAs? It's probably not worth our time to worry about these devices in the general case (since the number is probably zero given the constraints), but rather provide a stripped-down version of Emacs that pretty much just provides basic editing, plus anything else that space permits. That would then allow Emacs to run on these small devices. For comparison, most of the applications on my Treo are less than 100 kB, although a couple have pushed over the 1 MB threshold. Someday, when I have Linux running on my smartphone, I would like to be able to edit files in directories in Emacs instead of editing "categorized memos" as I do today. -- Bill Wohler http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD Maintainer of comp.mail.mh FAQ and MH-E. Vote Libertarian! If you're passed on the right, you're in the wrong lane.