From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22926: 24.5; `shell-command', `shell-command-default-error-buffer' Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 08:52:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <40e1f856-b7a9-4221-9443-a1fdc526837d@default> References: <<<97b7c9cf-83fc-4d10-8f2b-836132fcc5ca@default>>> <<<83ziubv72j.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<4e20bee2-3a48-44d1-8501-f19ccc660b0a@default>> <<834mciuty3.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457369612 11929 80.91.229.3 (7 Mar 2016 16:53:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 16:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22926@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 07 17:53:19 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1acyPF-0004Gf-Da for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 17:53:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56985 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acyPE-0000Jd-Ln for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:53:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35002) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acyP5-0000IF-Ia for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:53:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acyOz-0008Hd-V6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:53:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:41167) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acyOz-0008HZ-RT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:53:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1acyOz-0006IX-Jo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:53:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22926 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22926-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22926.145736955024173 (code B ref 22926); Mon, 07 Mar 2016 16:53:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22926) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Mar 2016 16:52:30 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38294 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1acyOU-0006Hp-Dn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:52:30 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:46656) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1acyOS-0006Hc-JX for 22926@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 11:52:29 -0500 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u27GqLXM003810 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 7 Mar 2016 16:52:22 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u27GqKlx010344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 7 Mar 2016 16:52:21 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u27GqJLI007727; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 16:52:20 GMT In-Reply-To: <<834mciuty3.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:114544 Archived-At: > The second one cannot be usefully made shorter (going from 72 > columns to 36 doesn't sound like a move for the best). I disagree. A maximum limit is a maximum limit. And it can affect operations and tools such as window/frame fitting. A 36-column line is not a "disaster". Even a 2-column line is not a disaster. > And since we have a 72 column line, having a 74-column line in the > same doc string doesn't sound like a disaster to me. Etc., etc. And if 74 then why not 76? And if 76 then why not 78... The lines should respect the maximum limit. Simple, clear. Helps users both directly and indirectly (e.g. window/frame fitting). And no, it is not a "disaster" if lines do not respect the rule. But it is a bug - not all bugs are disasters.