From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Barak Zalstein" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Time to throw away my LOVE - Emacs ? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:22:51 +0300 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <40c5da09$1@news.012.net.il> References: <7e4qpod2db.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> <40c49fc7$1@news.012.net.il> <87ise3t36i.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <4rq3ac.q5.ln@acm.acm> <40c5bd4c$1@news.012.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1088534845 15048 80.91.224.253 (29 Jun 2004 18:47:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 29 20:47:15 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BfNdT-0002Qe-00 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:47:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1BfNf8-0004Wm-Vx for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 14:48:59 -0400 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.117.148.194 Original-X-Trace: news.012.net.il 1086708233 212.117.148.194 (8 Jun 2004 17:23:53 +0200) Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!feeder1.essentkabel.com!seanews2.seabone.net!news.012.net.il Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:123693 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:19061 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:19061 > Are you suggesting that other programming paradigms (anything "visual") > are a barrier to enhanced productivity? If so, I agree with you. Not really. If you can't interact with the other programming tool from Emacs, because of a closed non-text data representation, or a format which is not manipulated well by a text editor (icons, bitmaps etc.), or simply a certain development tool feature which is reachable only through a GUI menu, switching back and forth to Emacs or trying to firgure out how not to drop Emacs from the development cycle _is_ the barrier to enhanced productivity. I don't think that this is seeing things from the wrong angle, when merely keeping up with changing standards and interfaces of default common tools demands continuous and active effort from an Emacs user . Barak.