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[97.117.19.23]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j126sm9962317itj.15.2017.07.29.15.49.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 29 Jul 2017 15:49:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217151 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_095ABD25-BECD-4A86-86D3-EF0B3706DC5A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jul 29, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: >=20 >>> Richard Stallman writes: >>> Where was that package originally posted? >=20 >> I'm not sure what package you mean. Are you referring to the package = that was >> forked or the package created for fun? >=20 > I meant the earlier version, which was later forked. I found it here: https://www.gap-system.org/Packages/Contrib/emacs.html = Which is to say, as a file uploaded to the GAP website (for which it is = a major-mode). That page contains a pointer to a patch adding font-lock support, as = well as to my version. >> In the case of the forked package does that really matter where that = source >> came from if it is not licensed according to the book? >=20 > It doesn't matter legally, but I'm hoping to better understand the > chain of events. This will help for that. I forked it in 2010, so I don't remember many of the details, but I know = that I did search for the author and couldn't find him. -Ivan= --Apple-Mail=_095ABD25-BECD-4A86-86D3-EF0B3706DC5A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii On Jul 29, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:

Richard Stallman writes:
Where = was that package originally posted?

I'm not sure what package you mean. Are you = referring to the package that was
forked or the package = created for fun?

I meant the = earlier version, which was later forked.

I = found it here: https://www.gap-system.org/Packages/Contrib/emacs.html
Which is to say, as a file uploaded to the GAP website (for which = it is a major-mode).
That page contains a pointer to a patch = adding font-lock support, as well as to my version.

In the case of the = forked package does that really matter where that source
came from if it is not licensed according to the book?

It doesn't matter legally, but = I'm hoping to better understand the
chain of events. =  This will help for that.

I forked it in 2010, so I don't remember many of = the details, but I know that I did search for the author and couldn't = find him.

-Ivan
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