From: "R. Diez" <rdiezmail-emacs@yahoo.de>
To: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>
Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
Jay Kamat <jaygkamat@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Separate area at the top for a serious tab bar
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 10:20:18 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <406844585.2241039.1529922018350@mail.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a7rjw6zj.fsf@mbork.pl>
> [...]
> Though I understand the "positional orientation" idea.
This is a personal preference. Many people thrive in chaos. Other must have a tidy desktop. There is nothing wrong per se with each way.
A tabbar does not preclude other buffer switching methods. I often have many buffers open. But I tend to keep the "local context" (the tabs that are visible right now) sorted (.h left from .cpp and so on).
There is a tabbar in Firefox. There is one in most desktop environments (Windows, Xfce, KDE...). There will always be people and scenarios where a tabbar is the right approach, even in Emacs.
I would not underestimate this kind of usability matter. It may well be one of the biggest factors driving people away from Emacs. It could even be a necessary evil until most people learn to do away with the tabbar. Humans are just like that.
> [...]
> (BTW, those keys don't work in my FF.)
They are standard in Firefox:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts-perform-firefox-tasks-quickly#w_windows-tabs
You are probably using a Linux desktop environment that is eating those key combinations. I had to tell mine to stop taking some key combinations for virtual desktop switching, which I personally do not use.
> That is indeed neat, but isn't it fragile? It depends on you,
> the user, ordering the tabs. This looks like something a computer could do.
> [...]
On the contrary. I am the user, and I rule. 8-) Automatic ordering here would not work. Sometimes, during testing, I keep seemingly-unrelated tabs next to each other. For example, a shell buffer next to the script I am testing right now, or the HTML page next to the C++ code that is generating it.
I do most of my buffer switching without even looking at the tabbar, with just 1 or 2 quick keystrokes, because I intuitively know where the buffer I want is (2 steps left, or 1 step right). For a small group of related files, this positional hint works better (at least for me) than rotating over the last-visited buffers.
Best regards,
rdiez
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Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2018-06-20 7:06 ` Separate area at the top for a serious tab bar R. Diez
2018-06-20 12:16 ` martin rudalics
2018-06-20 12:55 ` Van L
2018-06-27 8:44 ` R. Diez
2018-06-27 9:17 ` martin rudalics
2018-06-20 14:09 ` Drew Adams
2018-06-22 5:51 ` Van L
2018-06-20 16:32 ` Teemu Likonen
2018-06-24 18:31 ` Grant Rettke
2018-06-25 4:48 ` Jay Kamat
2018-06-25 6:24 ` R. Diez
2018-06-25 9:28 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-06-25 10:20 ` R. Diez [this message]
2018-06-25 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-25 14:56 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-06-25 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-26 18:55 ` Bob Proulx
2018-06-26 19:01 ` Eric Abrahamsen
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