From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:17:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <40523713-33ff-4a4c-aec4-83972d87346f@default> References: <<877fy77zhp.fsf@web.de>> <<87k326d4ww.fsf@gmail.com> > <<877fy6rp2o.fsf@web.de> > <<548230FB.40307@dancol.org> > <<5482C872.5010304@dancol.org> > <<5483C537.3010707@dancol.org> > <<54840719.5080209@dancol.org> <87a92zmnv4.fsf@lifelogs.com>> <> <<5484FD09.60603@dancol.org>> <<9ae6762d-a52a-4a06-b2e9-dab893a22d38@default>> <> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418073496 28637 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2014 21:18:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 21:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dancol@dancol.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org, Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 22:18:08 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy5h2-0007NV-Jn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 22:18:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36200 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy5h2-0003eA-2Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:18:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40176) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy5gr-0003dt-2Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:18:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy5gi-0000Cl-CV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:17:57 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:40132) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xy5gi-0000Ba-6B; Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:17:48 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id sB8LHXnc023766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 Dec 2014 21:17:34 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sB8LHVbx010144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 Dec 2014 21:17:32 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sB8LHVo2010138; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 21:17:31 GMT In-Reply-To: <> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179475 Archived-At: >> I wonder whether perhaps Richard ran into the need to use >> prefixes so much because he was implementing the CL package >> system, and not just making normal use of it. Just a conjecture. >=20 > I implemented all the Common Lisp features (of which the package > system was one) in the Lisp Machine operating system, which included > lots of programs to do lots of things. (An Emacs-like editor was > one of them.) >=20 > In practice, the goal of using names without prefixes via importing > namespace did not work out. >=20 > I make the conjecture that name space importing is convenient when > you have lots of small modules, each with its own name space and not > many names, and each referring to just a few other modules. That's not > how the Lisp Machine system was written, and it's also mostly not how > Emacs was written. Maybe. Dunno what constitutes small, not many, few, etc. Perhaps others can chime in with more relevant info here. Sorry; I don't have anything concrete to offer in this regard.