From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-24 r117559: Fix bug #18636 with documentation of multi-monitor displays. Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 13:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <404d07c9-c650-480f-ab83-5a204b892390@default> References: < > <<83vbnuib0y.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412799527 9924 80.91.229.3 (8 Oct 2014 20:18:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 20:18:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 08 22:18:41 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xbxh1-0000YH-7b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 22:18:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38430 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xbxh0-0004cK-Q2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:18:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58688) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xbxgg-0004cB-IK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:18:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbxgZ-0004bo-CS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:18:18 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:47637) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbxgR-0003uY-Kb; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:18:03 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s98KH25A007444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 8 Oct 2014 20:17:03 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s98KH0ZM000551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Oct 2014 20:17:01 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s98KH0SW005139; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 20:17:00 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83vbnuib0y.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175152 Archived-At: > -----Original Message----- > From: emacs-devel-bounces+drew.adams=3Doracle.com@gnu.org > [mailto:emacs-devel-bounces+drew.adams=3Doracle.com@gnu.org] On Behalf > Of Eli Zaretskii > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:04 PM > To: Glenn Morris > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-24 r117559: Fix bug #18636 with > documentation of multi-monitor displays. >=20 > > From: Glenn Morris > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 15:52:31 -0400 > > > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > > +Position of the top-left corner and size of the work area in > pixels as > > > +@samp{(@var{x} @var{y} @var{width} @var{height})}. This is > different > > > +from @samp{geometry} in that the various system windows, such > as the > > > +task bar and side bar, are excluded from the work area. > > > > There were very few previous mentions of "task bar" in Emacs, but > all > > were written as "taskbar" rather than "task bar". >=20 > AFAIK, "taskbar" is a non-word. In any case, these are terms from > outside world that users are well familiar with, so we don't need to > worry how much we use them in our manuals or how exactly we spell > them. >=20 > > I also think the details here are likely to be OS-specific. I > think > > "taskbar" is mainly a MS-Windows term? >=20 > I don't think so (AFAIR, KDE at least uses that term as well), but > feel free to add whatever other terms are used for that thing. >=20 > > Eg on X with XFCE, the equivalent would be "panels", I guess, and > > these have zero affect: geometry =3D=3D workarea. >=20 > There's nothing in what I wrote that contradicts the possibility > that > workarea geometry is identical to the whole screen. In fact, on any > monitor but the primary one, this is always the case, at least on > Windows. >=20 > > "side bar" was never mentioned before now. >=20 > It's popular terminology, not something specific to Emacs. >=20 > > I would suggest maybe rewording this to be less definitive, and > > basically just say that the precise details are likely to be > > OS-specific. >=20 > I found it very hard to be OS-agnostic here and still convey the > ideas. The whole issue is obscure (the fact that not many systems > have more than one monitor doesn't help), and its previous > description > was more confusing than enlightening. Feel free to improve, of > course, but I rather think we should add terminology from other > platforms, not remove what's already there, as doing the latter will > make it obscure again. BTW, what is the reason for the order we have among the `geometry' and `workarea' components? Why not use the same order as for the X Window `geometry' spec? X Window `geometry': -geometry WIDTHxHEIGHT+XOFF+YOFF Emacs `geometry': X Y WIDTH HEIGHT I presume that the component values are the same for Emacs as for the X Window spec (are they exactly the same things?), but we start with X(OFF) and Y(OFF) instead of WIDTH and HEIGHT.