From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#30397: Random numbers in grep mode-line Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 07:27:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3e9d0fd8-b859-4eec-8f34-54185dd6c0f3@default> References: <<87tvurtbek.fsf@mail.linkov.net>> <<702f1621-529b-47b0-a15d-898a2fd81f79@default>> <<83eflu4hjx.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1518191213 30068 195.159.176.226 (9 Feb 2018 15:46:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 30397@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 09 16:46:48 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ekAsT-0005kq-Hx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:28:00 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w19FRvPx020645; Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:27:57 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83eflu4hjx.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4639.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=8799 signatures=668665 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=869 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1802090196 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:143053 Archived-At: > > But `C-h m' says nothing about this (it should). > > > > And clicking `compilation-mode' (the parent) in the `C-h m' output > > shows that mode's doc, but it too says nothing about this. >=20 > I don't see modes whose "C-h m" tells anything about mode-line > indicators. Do you? No. And? How many modes do you see that have mode-line info that needs explanation? There might well be some others - in that case, feel free to file bugs for those too. The point is that if something the mode does is not obvious from the UI, it might help for the mode doc to say something about it. For `grep', in particular, these numbers, even with their mouseover tooltips, may leave users scratching their heads. Juri is hardly a novice, to either Emacs or `grep'. I'm not that much of a novice either. We both, apparently, feel that this mode-line indication is not sufficiently self-expanatory. There may even be some question (e.g. for `grep') how useful it is. If you agree that better help about this would be in order, where would you suggest putting that help, if not on `C-h m'? (If you don't agree that improvement is needed then why ask about putting it on `C-h m'?)