From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16813: 24.3.50; `package--initialized' Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 11:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3d7cc4cd-6729-4464-ac1a-1ee1719b3b81@default> References: <0523e9fe-a6ce-4fc0-838f-b2707494d475@default> <87bn4sz5et.fsf@gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1461955009 31527 80.91.229.3 (29 Apr 2016 18:36:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 16813@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 29 20:36:33 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1awDHF-0007ZS-0f for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 20:36:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55863 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awDHA-0007q7-Oo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:36:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43607) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awDGz-0007UQ-M0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:36:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awDGo-0000dx-1t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:36:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:43450) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awDGn-0000bi-VH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:36:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awDGk-0004OT-Bf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:36:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:36:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16813 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 16813-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16813.146195493616852 (code B ref 16813); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:36:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16813) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2016 18:35:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55787 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awDGK-0004Nk-JA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:35:36 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:50016) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awDGJ-0004NX-1v for 16813@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:35:35 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u3TIZT10004193 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:35:29 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u3TIZTdj015662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:35:29 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u3TIZShh002632; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 18:35:28 GMT In-Reply-To: <87bn4sz5et.fsf@gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117241 Archived-At: > > ..should not be considered internal. Should be documented. > > > > It is reasonable to use this function in a check, before trying to use > > things from package.el. Look at `describe-package' for an example. >=20 > `describe-package' is in package.el. Seems internal to me. Closing. As the report says: There is no reason to assume that package.el is the only code that can make use of such a check. I gave a reason why this should not be considered internal (use cases). What's the reason you give why it should be internal? "Seems internal to me." That's not a reason.