From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Francis Moreau Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: page-at-a-time output for M-x shell Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <3c2b0d8c-2d31-45f0-8eda-1af2320d8cf5@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> References: <30a09a22-cd05-44b6-9b82-8a7e6c1796d5@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <7bf1883b-3184-487c-a5a4-675f3e117342@l2g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <85269090-af0d-43fa-bd49-da265cbac558@p23g2000vbl.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247474509 18629 80.91.229.12 (13 Jul 2009 08:41:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:41:49 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 13 10:41:42 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MQH6Q-0004QA-Vp for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:41:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45408 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MQH6Q-00047T-Fm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:41:38 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!novia!news-out.readnews.com!transit3.readnews.com!postnews.google.com!j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 38 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 93.2.234.244 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1247472227 29419 127.0.0.1 (13 Jul 2009 08:03:47 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:03:47 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com; posting-host=93.2.234.244; posting-account=ekTE0goAAADiVCThPmo4ph0C5bTUhQOx User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042708 Fedora/3.0.10-1.fc9 Firefox/3.0.10, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 grimoire.wyplay.int:3128 (squid/2.5.STABLE14) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:170807 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:66008 Archived-At: On Jul 12, 9:41=A0pm, Peter Dyballa wrote: > Am 12.07.2009 um 19:40 schrieb Francis Moreau: > > > And why is it so hard to understand that a pager feature would > > be nice in this package ? [...] > If the text cursor is at the end of the *shell* buffer and is pushed =A0 > away by fast effervescent output, faster than you can read, it's one =A0 > command to return to the prompt. It's easier to send the command and =A0 > make the cursor go up a line. no. BTW, some tools which being designed this 3 last couple years do send their output to a pager by default. > GNU Emacs is no terminal emulation. But it offers the possibility. It's well described in the info pages and the info pages never say that it's a deprecated usage. > It does not need a pager. These =A0 > programmes were developed for hardware terminals from 20 or more =A0 > years ago. There is no sense in keeping them today, in a time of =A0 > feature full terminal emulations. They can be abolished together with =A0 > atom reactors and bombs. So make it clear in the info page and see how people react. > And your splendid idea. I never claim to have a splendid idea. I just found weird that this is not offered by M-x shell, whereas it is by M-x term...