* checkable items which don't show up in agenda @ 2006-04-25 16:19 Frank Ruell 2006-04-26 6:54 ` Christian Egli 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Frank Ruell @ 2006-04-25 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi, I'm very impressed by org, it has lots of small intuitive features, i.e. how you can increment/decrement dates via cursor keys. Danke je for this nice org-anizer, Carsten! The only thing I've missed was an option for items, which are fontyfied and checkable via some shortcut, but never ever show up in agenda (or rather clutter up your agenda). Most solutions I was able to think of were rather clumsy, thus I cut 'n' pasted some of org's code and added some few bits myself: http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs/org-checklet.el Obviously I don't know lisp but some C alike language, anyway it seems to do what I want it to - at least so far. cheers, Frank -- AGITATOR, n. A statesman who shakes the fruit trees of his neighbors -- to dislodge the worms. (Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: checkable items which don't show up in agenda 2006-04-25 16:19 checkable items which don't show up in agenda Frank Ruell @ 2006-04-26 6:54 ` Christian Egli 2006-04-26 9:39 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Christian Egli @ 2006-04-26 6:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Frank Ruell; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 18:19 +0200, Frank Ruell wrote: > The only thing I've missed was an option for items, which are fontyfied > and checkable via some shortcut, but never ever show up in agenda (or > rather clutter up your agenda). What would be a use case for that? I have been thinking I would not want to see TODO items in the agenda that for the following scenario: * TODO Organize event ** TODO Choose a date ** TODO Invite people Here I'd like my agenda to remind me only that I need to Organize the event. I'd like to be able to check of the subtasks (which I'll do in the org-mode buffer, not in the agenda), but I do not want them to "clutter" my agenda. In this case it is not arbitrary checkable (TODO) items that I want to exclude from the agenda. I just want to exclude TODO items where an ancestor is also a TODO item. Would that cover your use case? Thanks Christian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: checkable items which don't show up in agenda 2006-04-26 6:54 ` Christian Egli @ 2006-04-26 9:39 ` Carsten Dominik 2006-04-26 13:08 ` Piotr Zielinski 2006-04-26 13:48 ` checkable items which don't show up in agenda Frank Ruell 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2006-04-26 9:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Christian Egli; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Frank Ruell On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:54, Christian Egli wrote: > On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 18:19 +0200, Frank Ruell wrote: >> The only thing I've missed was an option for items, which are >> fontyfied >> and checkable via some shortcut, but never ever show up in agenda (or >> rather clutter up your agenda). > > What would be a use case for that? I have been thinking I would not > want > to see TODO items in the agenda that for the following scenario: > > * TODO Organize event > ** TODO Choose a date > ** TODO Invite people > > Here I'd like my agenda to remind me only that I need to Organize the > event. I'd like to be able to check of the subtasks (which I'll do in > the org-mode buffer, not in the agenda), but I do not want them to > "clutter" my agenda. Interesting idea. I could make an option which would stop searching for TODO in the subtree below a TODO entry. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: checkable items which don't show up in agenda 2006-04-26 9:39 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2006-04-26 13:08 ` Piotr Zielinski 2006-04-26 13:54 ` org-mode usage patterns David O'Toole 2006-04-26 13:48 ` checkable items which don't show up in agenda Frank Ruell 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Piotr Zielinski @ 2006-04-26 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Frank Ruell Hi, It seems that different people use TODOs in different ways. For example, I use TODOs at the very lowest possible level to indicate the next action in a particular project. That said, I'd welcome some hierarchical propagation of TODO, as it is with tags. One can imagine using two kinds of todos: TODO and NEXTACTION. TODO would be attached to (high-level) projects I'm currently interested in doing, whereas NEXTACTION attached to the low-level nodes of the tree that correspond to the next physical action to take. The agenda could be configured in such a way to display only these NEXTACTIONs that have an ancestor marked as TODO. Note that this is already possible with tags. Is it sensible to make org.el treat TODOs as a any other tag? To make most of org-mode, I think it would be very useful to compare how people actually use it. I'm sure I could learn a lot of useful things from such an exchange, and would be surprised by the variety of organizing structures people use. The best way to achieve that is probably to post deprivatized sample parts of our .org files with a short explanation. What place do you think is the best: this email list? some wiki? something else? Piotr On 26/04/06, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:54, Christian Egli wrote: > > > On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 18:19 +0200, Frank Ruell wrote: > >> The only thing I've missed was an option for items, which are > >> fontyfied > >> and checkable via some shortcut, but never ever show up in agenda (or > >> rather clutter up your agenda). > > > > What would be a use case for that? I have been thinking I would not > > want > > to see TODO items in the agenda that for the following scenario: > > > > * TODO Organize event > > ** TODO Choose a date > > ** TODO Invite people > > > > Here I'd like my agenda to remind me only that I need to Organize the > > event. I'd like to be able to check of the subtasks (which I'll do in > > the org-mode buffer, not in the agenda), but I do not want them to > > "clutter" my agenda. > > Interesting idea. I could make an option which would stop searching > for TODO in the subtree below a TODO entry. > > - Carsten > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: org-mode usage patterns 2006-04-26 13:08 ` Piotr Zielinski @ 2006-04-26 13:54 ` David O'Toole 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: David O'Toole @ 2006-04-26 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Piotr Zielinski; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Frank Ruell, Carsten Dominik Hi Piotr, As a relatively new org user, I have been wanting to see a discussion of usage patterns and file structures. So, I'm glad you asked, and perhaps this will help get people talking. Here's a little about my org usage patterns. This isn't complete because I've only been using org less than a week. However, I have imported a fair amount of material into my orgfiles, from previous usage of Planner and Howm. So, I have had to make decisions about how to structure things. I keep one topic per file, called ~/org/Topic.org . All my org files are together in the ~/org folder. The filename is the default category for TODO items, so this is quite useful. Since I keep org-agenda-files list in alphabetical order, my tasks are grouped in alphabetical order by file when I look in the Global TODO list (C-c a t.) I have org-agenda-include-all-todo set to "nil". I don't like all the open tasks cluttering up my agenda. Instead, when I want to see a list of all open TODO, I use the Global TODO list. I don't put timestamps of any kind in a TODO until I'm ready to SCHEDULE it. I use C-c C-s to add a schedule timestamp. In this way, it's easy to use (C-c a t) to find open tasks to schedule, and easy to see what's scheduled for today with org-agenda (C-c a a). I mix tasks and notes. I often have ideas about a task or perhaps a phone number or address, so I put those under the TODO heading. For example if the headline says "TODO Implement feature X" I will often have several ideas about the shape of the feature, and possibly alternative implementation possibilities. I'll usually drop these in as subheadings to the TODO, but these aren't TODO items in themselves---the headlines are useful for organizing ideas, but it's usually too early at this stage to make the headings into TODO. Once the ideas and notes have coalesced into a more definite plan, the headings start to become TODOs. In addition, when writing a structured document with Org, I will use TODO headings simply to mark that a section needs filling in. When I want to really focus on a particular project that has multiple open TODOs, I hide the agenda buffer and just display the particular project's .org file, usually in OVERVIEW mode. This hides all the little notes, but shows all the TODO and gives me quick access to any part of the file. I try to keep TODO's in logical/temporal order when maintaining a .org file, so this view usually gives me an idea what the NEXTACTION should be. It's simple enough to navigate to that, and hit C-c C-s to schedule those for today. I use only TODO and DONE as keywords. I try to make todo items small enough so that they're either TODO or DONE. I never found much use for the "in progress" marking of Planner Mode. Who knows, this may change in the future. I haven't found as much use for Remember mode yet. I usually just add stuff where it needs to go, but perhaps when things are busier I will really want to be able to "braindump" to Remember.org and then file things away later. I have also thought about using Remember for journal entries / blogging (as described in the manual.) I haven't yet used Tags because I categorize things by placing them in the file for that topic. I have more to say on the subject of org usage, but I want to develop my ideas a little further first. "Piotr Zielinski" <piotr.zielinski@gmail.com> writes: > Hi, > > It seems that different people use TODOs in different ways. For > example, I use TODOs at the very lowest possible level to indicate the > next action in a particular project. That said, I'd welcome some > hierarchical propagation of TODO, as it is with tags. One can imagine > using two kinds of todos: TODO and NEXTACTION. TODO would be attached > to (high-level) projects I'm currently interested in doing, whereas > NEXTACTION attached to the low-level nodes of the tree that correspond > to the next physical action to take. The agenda could be configured > in such a way to display only these NEXTACTIONs that have an ancestor > marked as TODO. Note that this is already possible with tags. Is it > sensible to make org.el treat TODOs as a any other tag? > > To make most of org-mode, I think it would be very useful to compare > how people actually use it. I'm sure I could learn a lot of useful > things from such an exchange, and would be surprised by the variety of > organizing structures people use. The best way to achieve that is > probably to post deprivatized sample parts of our .org files with a > short explanation. What place do you think is the best: this email > list? some wiki? something else? > > Piotr > > On 26/04/06, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:54, Christian Egli wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 18:19 +0200, Frank Ruell wrote: >> >> The only thing I've missed was an option for items, which are >> >> fontyfied >> >> and checkable via some shortcut, but never ever show up in agenda (or >> >> rather clutter up your agenda). >> > >> > What would be a use case for that? I have been thinking I would not >> > want >> > to see TODO items in the agenda that for the following scenario: >> > >> > * TODO Organize event >> > ** TODO Choose a date >> > ** TODO Invite people >> > >> > Here I'd like my agenda to remind me only that I need to Organize the >> > event. I'd like to be able to check of the subtasks (which I'll do in >> > the org-mode buffer, not in the agenda), but I do not want them to >> > "clutter" my agenda. >> >> Interesting idea. I could make an option which would stop searching >> for TODO in the subtree below a TODO entry. >> >> - Carsten >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- Dave O'Toole dto@gnu.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: checkable items which don't show up in agenda 2006-04-26 9:39 ` Carsten Dominik 2006-04-26 13:08 ` Piotr Zielinski @ 2006-04-26 13:48 ` Frank Ruell 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Frank Ruell @ 2006-04-26 13:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes: > On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:54, Christian Egli wrote: > >> On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 18:19 +0200, Frank Ruell wrote: >>> The only thing I've missed was an option for items, which are >>> fontyfied >>> and checkable via some shortcut, but never ever show up in agenda (or >>> rather clutter up your agenda). >> >> What would be a use case for that? I have been thinking I would not >> want >> to see TODO items in the agenda that for the following scenario: >> >> * TODO Organize event >> ** TODO Choose a date >> ** TODO Invite people >> >> Here I'd like my agenda to remind me only that I need to Organize the >> event. I'd like to be able to check of the subtasks (which I'll do in >> the org-mode buffer, not in the agenda), but I do not want them to >> "clutter" my agenda. even more extreme: ** TODO Phone people and invite them *** TODO invite aunt Minna *** TODO invite uncle Ernst *** TODO invite great uncle Karl Workflow: thinking of 25 guys to invite, phoning those guys, and then keeping track of who you did or did not reach. (Last actual use case for me was when doing homework, I've read the exercise, wrote a list of classes and methods while doing so, and then, when actually programming, it would have been nice to be able to check the finished stuff. Identical to the way I would have done it with pencil and paper.) > Interesting idea. I could make an option which would stop searching > for TODO in the subtree below a TODO entry. For the "invite example" above I wouldn't even like to give each one his own heading. (For those "checklets" I used C-u for not changing into heading). Nor would I want those subitems to be "prominent fontyfied" as TODOs are. Like for inviting a bunch of people I would consider just one TODO the most adequate way. Of course in most cases everything but splitting a TODO into smaller TODOs would be confusing and bloat. cheers, Frank -- IRRELIGION, n. The principal one of the great faiths of the world. (Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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